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Roderick Waite
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Username: rodwaite

Post Number: 187
Registered: 1-2012
Posted on Wednesday, 27 June, 2018 - 03:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Hello - I know I posted this a little while ago, but it has disappeared from the list. I have established that the interior lights remain on due to a faulty switch in the driver's door. I think Paul (Yorke) described the procedure for testing/changing this item - would he be kind enough to repeat it please? Sorry - I don't understand why the topic has disappeared, it was only a few months ago ... oh, the car is a 1984 Spirit ECH 09680 ... thank you!
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Roderick Waite
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Post Number: 188
Registered: 1-2012
Posted on Wednesday, 27 June, 2018 - 03:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Sod's Law again - it was only one month ago and I was looking too far down the list ... it was Paul, thanks. But I don't see any operating lever for the door switch. Exactly where should I be looking, please?
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David Gore
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Username: david_gore

Post Number: 2944
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Wednesday, 27 June, 2018 - 06:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Roderick,

Have put the link to the original thread below just in case:

http://au.rrforums.net/forum/messages/17002/30974.html?1527427062

You may have to remove the door trim to access the switch mechanism - I have the Silver Spirit manuals on cdrom but they are 400Km away in Sydney. I should have a backup in storage here so will have a look shortly and respond accordingly.

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David Gore
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Username: david_gore

Post Number: 2945
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Wednesday, 27 June, 2018 - 07:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Roderick,

Have found a backup copy of the Silver Spirit parts list but do not have the manual at hand.

File MS8 has images of the door switches and MS 7 has other details you might find useful.

application/pdfMS 7
MS07.pdf (314.8 k)


application/pdfMS 8
MS08.pdf (232.5 k)


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Mark Aldridge
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Username: mark_aldridge

Post Number: 548
Registered: 10-2008
Posted on Wednesday, 27 June, 2018 - 10:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Rod, the switch is
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/lucas-SMB421-34933-brake-light-switch-for-LAND-ROVER-TRIUMPH-CLASSIC-Mini/231279536628?epid=1450303914&hash=item35d955a9f4:g:KdkAAOSwBPFarjja

You need small hands to fit it ! My wife changed ours.
Mark
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Roderick Waite
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Username: rodwaite

Post Number: 189
Registered: 1-2012
Posted on Thursday, 28 June, 2018 - 01:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Hello David and Mark, and thank you! I have ordered one, although I cannot see what Paul meant by an 'operating lever' - maybe a different model. I'll find out when it arrives - the total cost including delivery was only 6.99, so not bad ... it's a useful sort of switch anyway. I'm pretty sure we used to buy them for over-stroking brake chambers back in the late '60s for 1/4d (one shilling and four old pence). Time marches on ...
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David Gore
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Username: david_gore

Post Number: 2951
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Thursday, 28 June, 2018 - 09:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Roderick,

I think Paul might have been referring to Part number UD25304 on page 2 of MS08 or UD25475 on page 3, check your car chassis number against the numbers quoted in the top LH corner of the page. This appears to be a microswitch operating lever for a microswitch mounted on another module[door lock actuator??] located in the door cavity.

STOP PRESS

See front door locking parts for your chassis number in the Parts List below. I am positive this shows the location of the module shown in MS08.


application/pdfS31
S31.pdf (474.8 k)


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Roderick Waite
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Username: rodwaite

Post Number: 190
Registered: 1-2012
Posted on Thursday, 28 June, 2018 - 05:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Hello David - to say I'm confused is to put it mildly. Drawings pop up all over the place, all purporting to be of the same thing and all totally different. The drawing I used says categorically that it is for all Silver Spirits from chassis # 01001 to 16970 (Echo is 09680), and it's nothing like your MS08 drawing. I'm going to have to wait for the switch to arrive and then take the door apart to see what's actually there. Probably find it's nothing like either drawing ... and the problem is just a loose connection ... that would be nice ...
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David Gore
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Username: david_gore

Post Number: 2954
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Thursday, 28 June, 2018 - 06:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Roderick,

This is typical RRMC practice as the Crewe Drawing Office could not keep the updating of the Parts Lists and associated diagrams coinciding with changes on the assembly line especially for the Shadow and Spirit models due to the frequent changes made to use new technology and improved components which were advancing and/or changing at a rapid rate. I know in the Shadow era, parts lists and catalogues could be up to 6 changes behind what was happening on the assembly line and do not get me started on wiring diagrams as these were even worse.

Your last two sentences encapsulate what will be required of you to get a solution to your problem.

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Nigel Coombe
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Username: nigel_adelaide

Post Number: 21
Registered: 10-2017
Posted on Thursday, 12 July, 2018 - 10:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

My drivers door central locking will lock all doors with the key but when try to unlock them with key just drivers door unlocks but can unlock all doors with Key in boot or passenger door. Have had a look inside drivers door but no obvious loose wires or connections .Any advice would be great never like removing door trims more than need to . 1988 Spirit.
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gordon le feuvre
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Username: triumph

Post Number: 257
Registered: 7-2012
Posted on Friday, 13 July, 2018 - 06:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Nigel,the drivers door lock should work in two stages. 1st is to lock that door only, then put some more load on key as if trying to bend it! This "springiness" should activate CDL micro switch (one for lock, one for unlock) to lock/unlock other doors. If your car is doing this easily when locking, but not working when unlocking suggests a problem(adjustment)in lock/unlock micro switches which are activated by the actions described above. The micro switches -UD25610- are located just under the door lock, as illustrated in Bentley heritage site. hope this clarifies/helps.
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Roderick Waite
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Username: rodwaite

Post Number: 191
Registered: 1-2012
Posted on Tuesday, 17 July, 2018 - 04:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Hello everyone, an update on this - we've had the door apart, a careful procedure as we didn't know what was held by clips and what was held by screws, a few of which are concealed. The mechanism were far more complex than indicated by the drawing I had, which also showed the wrong switch - the one I bought, of course. Despite the early chassis number (ECH 09680) the switch was of the micro-switch type, not the plunger type. It was faulty, and we couldn't adjust it in any way. It took an hour to strip the door - and 2 hours to put it back together. There's no room to work, and we had a job to find a short enough socket to be able to get the door handle nuts back on. Perhaps the driver's door had been damaged, and replaced with one from a later model?

We left the micro-switch disconnected, as we found all the interior and puddle lights etc: work perfectly on all the other three doors. I hardly ever need them anyway as I don't drive at night. I have left the battery switched on, as I want to know if it was indeed the interior lights draining the battery.

My thanks to all for the assistance and encouragement! David (Gore) you were right about the type of switch too! Still, no great loss thanks to Mark (Aldridge). And it might come in handy yet if the other 3 doors are original!
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gordon le feuvre
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Username: triumph

Post Number: 258
Registered: 7-2012
Posted on Tuesday, 17 July, 2018 - 07:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

as I said in my earlier post Bentley Heritage Parts site is run by factory and free. one can follow model, browse, and find OWN vin/chassis number from list. this "should" filter to correct part for "your" car. Through 53 years experience with R-R, it is worth going to end of particular section, and working backwards. especially relevant to Shadow & earlier model parts lists. for example it will say 9000 onwards, but if you scroll forwards to say, 13754 there will another change and again at 18723 and new part numbers. My dealer at best sold 40 units a year, and virtually every one that came through door was different from last. Imagine trying to keep manual up to date-nightmare.

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