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Michael Carr
Experienced User
Username: carsie

Post Number: 14
Registered: 7-2016
Posted on Tuesday, 14 February, 2017 - 08:10:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I blame it all on a certain Mr Bob Uk, for stirring up the embers upon a simmering desire, when he pointed out that there was a James Young 2dr for sale.

SWIMBO was happily settled on the settee with her new book "Fifty Shades" --I told her " I know all about it..there's Jaguar Opalescent Grey, there's Gunmetal Grey, there's Nautilus Grey" - was about to go on, but she rolled her eyes and her nostrils lightly flared and I feared incurring her wrath for once again doing something else that I wasn't supposed to do/should have done/said I would do/think I should have done, but was still none the wiser twixt what it was and the current situation and so I retreated from my helpful state and powered up my trusty Dell whilst looking longingly at the glass of water beside me and so wishing it was a nice JJ on ice, and went back into my mental man cave...sigh

My hunting on Fleabay, Classic Sportcar, Pistonheads failed to produce the excitement that I craved, until I stumbled upon Hemmings.com -

Oh My!!; there she was!

Before revealing the source of my lust,I should perhaps let you know that my taste in cars is catholic where everyone else is concerned.

Turbo, flared, belly scraping, flip flop candy pearl, zebra interior - yes sir, if that floats your boat and that's what you like and you've got a grin from ear to ear then that's just fine in your world- as to my own...well..lets just say I am very, very, very discerning - class, finesse, restrain, quality, composure, aplomb, fun, these are my values and ones which I am happy to say my lovely wife has in abundance - so why awake all night?

Well Gents, I found this and I can't stop thinking about her.

The colour is perfect, the mileage? spot on,service history,steel sunroof (how else are you supposed to drive through France) single coachline?-perfection. Not a trailer queen but regularly used but not thrashed- bliss!

Of course it's across in Ohio, it's LHD, the leather I think I would prefer to be a couple of tones closer to tan rather than olive but I haven't seen it in the flesh.

Man Maths have been working overtime, shipping costs, conversion LHD/RHD, how much for my SS? and so it went on for what seemed to be all night- I'm hoping for some cathartic release by posting on here but alas its not coming; it's saved on my Favourite Bar - maybe if I sold the SS and the Jag (though that's not finished yet)-Oh dear...

You know the worst thing? When I showed SWIMBO, she said "Oh that's nice! are you going to trade yours in against it?"

I don't know if I'll be able to sleep tonight again


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Christian S. Hansen
Grand Master
Username: enquiring_mind

Post Number: 516
Registered: 4-2015
Posted on Tuesday, 14 February, 2017 - 09:00:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Oooo...a sunroof! That would have been enough to sell me!
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P.S. Don't waste any thoughts on converting LHD to RHD. Not worth the cost. I drive lots of RHD RR/B (mostly EPW and preWar) here in US and don't give it a second thought...nor should you. After just a few moments at the wheel, you will adjust perfectly.

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Robert Noel Reddington
Grand Master
Username: bob_uk

Post Number: 1295
Registered: 5-2015
Posted on Tuesday, 14 February, 2017 - 10:54:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

The car shown is not a James Young Coupe, which is nothing like a Corniche, more like a Shadow. The JY coupe was abandoned after 35 RR and 15 Bents.

I like Corniche but it has 2 doors missing to me so not so suitable for passengers.

Bob UK

LHD cars have a bigger market to sell to and therefore easier to sell on at a better price in mainland europe.

Love the sunroof.
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Patrick Ryan
Grand Master
Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1080
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Tuesday, 14 February, 2017 - 11:36:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Bob is absolutely correct.

The car above (depending on age market sold & chassis number) is a Silver Shadow MPW 2 door saloon, or later called the Corniche.

Here is a James Young Silver Shadow 2 door Saloon.
Note the lack of beautiful upward kicks in the hind quarters.





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Patrick Ryan
Grand Master
Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1083
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Tuesday, 14 February, 2017 - 11:58:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Michael,

That is on magnificent looking car.

Swimbo may have to be "helped" along the decision making process. The "that's nice" comment is already flashing red lights for me here.

If she is reading the "50 Shades books" you may have to take her to the hardware store a few times? Multiple times?

Maybe a new Hermes handbag, that will clearly match the soon to be new car.
Some Manolo Blahnik's that will look amazing as her feet exit this car?

Just a few ideas that may "ease" her decision making????

Maybe after this, you can keep both cars?
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David Gore
Moderator
Username: david_gore

Post Number: 2430
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Tuesday, 14 February, 2017 - 12:20:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Michael,

The Corniche is flowing majesty and the sun roof is a bonus.

The promise of some leisurely trips through France to the Riviera, Spain and Italy as a "second honeymoon" might clinch the deal .

As Christian correctly advises, I would keep the car in LHD configuration if it can be registered in the UK.

Patrick, a little bit of pedantry on my part:

Would you please add Corniche to your spell check dictionary as your auto-correct is changing Corniche to Cornish each time you post.

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Patrick Ryan
Grand Master
Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1084
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Tuesday, 14 February, 2017 - 12:39:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Thanks David,
My bad.
It now reads Corniche

At first, I didn't like the look of the James Young very much. Almost like not much effort was put into the design.

But after looking at many images of it over the years, I don't mind the shape.

It's not over the top, and almost pleasing.

But it simply cant match that curvaceous bum and hips of the Corniche.

But the Corniche that is my dream car is this.

Series 1 in this shade of Rosso Red, and that tan interior.

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Christian S. Hansen
Grand Master
Username: enquiring_mind

Post Number: 518
Registered: 4-2015
Posted on Tuesday, 14 February, 2017 - 12:46:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

One other thing to note which is not apparent from photos is that the Coupe, MPW, Corniche (however designated) is a smaller car than the saloon in every dimension in order to make it look proportional. As the owner of a '68 MPW Coupe, it is something that I often notice. I can almost reach across and touch the passenger door from the driver seat and when parked, and especially from the rear, I can sense that it is more "compact" in size...width and height, in addition to the obvious length. Next to a 4-dr saloon it is quite apparent. In any event, don't be swayed by a pretty face in the photos. Make sure you get independent verification of the condition. In Ohio there are a number of qualified RR/B specialists. DO NOT trust the seller/dealer to do that assessment, for obvious reasons!!
Even better, get on a plane and check it out in conjunction with that assessment to be sure you like the 2-dr in real life, not just photos. Honestly there are some angles where mine reminds me of the plebian '67 Ford Falcon Coupe I had back in the 1970's...not the appropriate rememberance to be elicted by a Rolls-Royce! I bought the MPW anyway and just avoid looking at it from THAT angle!

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Geoff Wootton
Grand Master
Username: dounraey

Post Number: 1603
Registered: 5-2012
Posted on Tuesday, 14 February, 2017 - 13:41:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Hi Michael

I'd like to second Christian - get an independent inspection if you decide to go ahead with the purchase. This is particularly important as it is in Cleveland Ohio, read loads and loads of salt on the roads. Also the roads are full of potholes, some very deep, so it's important to check for suspension damage. However, from the photos it does look as if it has been garaged through the winter. The condition looks very good, but photos can be very deceptive.

Finally, as Christian and David have mentioned, keep it LHD. It's a huge and very expensive undertaking to convert the car. And of course, the steering wheel will be in the right place, ready for those trips to the Riviera.

Geoff
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Jonas TRACHSEL
Prolific User
Username: jonas_trachsel

Post Number: 114
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Tuesday, 14 February, 2017 - 17:27:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Something looks strange about this two-tone grey Silver Shadow MPW 2 door saloon. I thought these were only built in the very early years of the SY models before the Corniches came out. So how come these ugly US-style rubber bumpers on that rhd car?
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Patrick Ryan
Grand Master
Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1086
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Tuesday, 14 February, 2017 - 17:33:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Hi Jonas.

I was thinking the same thing myself.

Thinking it may have been a US model with the US required bumpers that started on the SY cars?
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Patrick Ryan
Grand Master
Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1087
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Tuesday, 14 February, 2017 - 17:37:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I also noticed the James Young car is an older SY model with front ankle freezer vents that finished in 72.
It is a R/H drive car so not a US car, but it has the later bumpers as well.

Maybe these coach builders had free access to the Rolls Royce parts bins??
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Jeff Cheng
Frequent User
Username: makeshift

Post Number: 70
Registered: 2-2016
Posted on Tuesday, 14 February, 2017 - 19:01:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I'm sure I'm the only one here, but the one thing that bugs me about the MPW/Coupe/Corniche is the how the bottom of the greenhouse is 'flat' and doesn't quite meet up with the sloping waistline.

It's less noticeable on the ragtop cars as that area is much busier, but that detail is what sways me to prefer the James Young coupes over the Corniches. Having said that, the rear quarter view of a Corniche makes it look fast standing still.

It's such a small detail, but even since I noticed it, I can't unsee it.

jyc1

jyc2

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Omar M. Shams
Grand Master
Username: omar

Post Number: 1084
Registered: 4-2009
Posted on Tuesday, 14 February, 2017 - 19:31:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

The JY Coupe with Shadow II bumpers has been "Upgraded" in its previous life to make it look like a Shadow II.

There are some people out there who prefer the look of the Shadow II to the Shadow 1s. A previous owner of this JY coupe was one such person.

Omar
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Patrick Ryan
Grand Master
Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1088
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Tuesday, 14 February, 2017 - 21:17:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Interesting view their Jeff.

I would have either of the cars mate.

Good point Omar,
A nice upgrade to modernise an already pretty machine.

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