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     james woo Experienced User Username: james Post Number: 6 Registered: 7-2003 |
Does anyone kept an archive of historic Rolls Royce & Bentley new and used car prices for each particular year, I would like to do some comparison and put together a comprehensive guide on price movement for each model and year, and may be publish it here. Is the shadow now classifies as vintage? Thanks for the help, any information is much appreciated. Regards James | ||
| David Gore Moderator Username: david_gore Post Number: 90 Registered: 4-2003 |
James, Sorry to be a pessimist but this would be a waste of time as the prices are entirely determined by vehicle condition/colour & trim combinations and history of the car. Many cars are sold privately without being advertised and these sales are not publically recorded. The number of cars sold each year is also very low so you cannot average the prices with any statistical reliability. The determination of market value for insurance is a problem for the above reasons and the used-car price guides are largely based on auction prices and dealer prices which show huge variations due to clustering of low-price "parts-only" cars through the auctions and "high-price" concours standard cars at specialist dealers and the well-publicised classic car auctions. Suffice to say, the purchase of your car should not be based on the expectation that you will achieve positive capital gains - other forms of investment will always do this but classic cars do not have a good reputation as an investment. Your car purchase is for personal enjoyment, the thrill and pleasure of driving a car that has special meaning to you and the joining of a Club were you can share this with other like-minded people. | ||
| james woo Experienced User Username: james Post Number: 9 Registered: 7-2003 |
Thanks David: Thankyou for all your long and detail reply, I am very greatful for all your frank advice, much appreciated. I am now officially the owner of the 73 Shadow, I had an Rolls mechanic looking at it, he think the oil leak is only minor like you say, but the water pump does need replacing which will cost about $1000 I brought the Rolls purely because I love Rolls Royce ever since I was a kid, I still got my match box Rolls from when I was 13, over the years I collected a number of matchbox Rolls, and in the recent years got onto franklin mint 1:24 scale models, now I am onto 1:1 scale! If you want I will gladly share some of the photos of my model collection with you and the club. Although I do look at the Rolls as an investment, but I didn't buy the Rolls to make money, I brought it to enjoy. I can't help thinking like a statistician sometimes, I just wanted to put a price guide together to help other members and to give new buyers some ideas of the price, and price differences between different models, as I don't even know myself whether a new Bentley is more expensive than the equivalent new Rolls, and which model is more expensive than the other, e.g Corniche is more expensive than Shadow, Parkward is more expensive than Seraph etc. I am also interested in the historic new car prices, ie. the price of the new shadow in 1965 compare to the average wage in 1965 etc. Thanks again for your replies. Best regards James | ||
| Peter N Dixon Unregistered guest Posted From: 203.217.53.246 |
Hi James, I too am a new owner of a Rolls. I also waited a long time ,over 50 years for mine. It took me six attempts to find a decent one and if it had not been for the skill and good graces of John Dares and Robert Chapman in Melbourne I am sure I would have ended up with a dud. I was stunned at the actual range of prices there were in cars from 1970 to 1980. Though a novice I agree with what David has to say. I suspect he may know a little about these fabulous machines. I took my car for its first serious drive last week. A round trip of 1200ks from Mildura to Melbourne. (for service by the great R Chapman Motors, which is worth a visit just to see all the RR's he has lined up there). Up to that point I think I had driven a range of pretty good cars. New, old, Jags, Mercs, Fords etc. etc. even, dare I say it, a few Yank Tanks, but this was something else. It wasn't so much that I drove it, it was more a case it took me. I have never had a driving experience like it. Apart from the misery of negotiating Melbourne itself it was an exercise in two fingers on the wheel relaxation. Previous enthusiasm has now turned into an absolute passion. I am sure you derive as much pleasure from yours as I do mine, at least I hope you do. Cheers Peter | ||
| Bill Coburn Prolific User Username: bill_coburn Post Number: 31 Registered: 4-2003 |
Can I add a credential to Bob Chapman's cv? There is actually quite a population of professional mechanics in this country who have worked on these cars and some who actually repair them to make a living. The latter group fall into two groups, those who see enthusiasts like ourselves as a threat to their livelihood and those that will provide reasonable advice and assistance in the hope that the cars will outlast us all. The former group are in my opinion really short sighted. Very very few owners are in the business of taking on repair work and most 'common' service stations steer clear of them as they have to spend so much time working out procedures they lose on the jobs. The other aspect is that as these "knowlegables" move on to the next world their knowledge dies with them. Some years ago I was told that there is only one surviving specialist who can set up a Silver Ghost gearbox! What happens when he goes??? Anyway the original point I wanted to make is that Robert Chapman is help personified. He is not only a professional he is also an enthusiast - a rare combination. | ||
| William H. Trovinger II Yet to post message Username: bill_trovinger Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2003 |
James; I agree with David on current value of cars, whole heatedly. If you wanted to put together a book on values, I would suggest one that deals only with the original MSRP's of the cars. There may already be one but I have yet to see it. This could be of interest to many. Just an idea. |
