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Patrick Ryan
Grand Master
Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1640
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Friday, 04 August, 2017 - 01:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Gents,
I also posted this in the "Post Spirit" section.
But feel it may be more appropriate here.

So now we have the new Rolls-Royce Phantom VIII

What are your thoughts?

Here are some videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzinHD9tqmI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_ZlgkxCTLc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBQ2WWw2ii4

I know I would have one in a heart beat!
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Omar M. Shams
Grand Master
Username: omar

Post Number: 1271
Registered: 4-2009
Posted on Saturday, 05 August, 2017 - 04:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

To me the difference between the P7 and P8 is like the Shadow I and II. Mostly the same but with subtle differences.
I will buy a P7 when the prices drop or by February 2018.
These are lovely cars.
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Robert Noel Reddington
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Username: bob_uk

Post Number: 1490
Registered: 5-2015
Posted on Saturday, 05 August, 2017 - 07:08 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I am green with envy Omar
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Patrick Ryan
Grand Master
Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1641
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Saturday, 05 August, 2017 - 07:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

That's a great way to put it Omar.
Don't muck around with something to much that has been working well for so long.
Just a few corners knocked off for a minor face lift.
I think they have done a good job.

I will be very interested to learn more about under the skin improvement.
Electrical, safety, drive ability.
The say it is 50% more rigid, but rides better and is 10% quieter.
The new capacity twin turbo engine will be good to learn more about.
Surely this would have to be the quickest car based on its weight?
Here are some comparisons.




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Omar M. Shams
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Username: omar

Post Number: 1273
Registered: 4-2009
Posted on Saturday, 05 August, 2017 - 02:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Fingers crossed I can sell some of my cars to ensure I can buy a P7 by February.
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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1642
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Saturday, 05 August, 2017 - 10:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

How many have you sold, and how many to go Omar?
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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1643
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Saturday, 05 August, 2017 - 11:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Omar,
Will you be looking for a post 2012 series 2 Phantom VII?
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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1644
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Sunday, 06 August, 2017 - 07:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Gents,
This is a good page, and offers sliding images that compare various parts of the new model against the outgoing model.
Very well done.
https://www.motor1.com/news/175180/2018-rolls-royce-phantom-comparison/
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Omar M. Shams
Grand Master
Username: omar

Post Number: 1276
Registered: 4-2009
Posted on Tuesday, 08 August, 2017 - 04:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Dear Patrick,
selling classic cars in Dubai is very hard work. I have not sold anything for a few months now. My target is to sell 10. And no I will not be able to justify the cost of a post 2012 Phantom. Mine will therefore have to be 2005 to 2008.
Fingers crossed
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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1646
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Tuesday, 08 August, 2017 - 06:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Hi Omar,

I have everything crossed for you mate.
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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1648
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Thursday, 10 August, 2017 - 10:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Gents,
Here is another very good post showing and explaining some of the new design aspects of Phantom VIII
http://www.automobilemag.com/news/rolls-royce-phantom-viii-by-design/
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Brian Crump
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Username: brian_crump

Post Number: 165
Registered: 2-2007
Posted on Friday, 11 August, 2017 - 12:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Oh dear; oh dear me ....
I got as far as " Alas, few Rolls-Royce cars were looked good in their times, and truly beautiful ones were rare indeed. Imposing, yes. Symbolic of quality, yes."
Reading further became a task of gruesome forbearance ....
Regards,
Brian
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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1649
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Friday, 11 August, 2017 - 08:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I agree Brian,
The author has a "way" with words.

It was the details of the new car, its revised body & fittings I was after.

What do you think of the new Phantom VIII?
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Brian Vogel
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Username: guyslp

Post Number: 2380
Registered: 6-2009
Posted on Wednesday, 16 August, 2017 - 11:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Then there's this:

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2017/08/this-2018-rolls-royce-phantom-is-purple-on-purple-perfection.html

I genuinely love the color. But what is with Crewe these days as far as white leather goes? It seems that they are favoring it quite heavily. While white leather looks stunning when new, I have never, ever seen it age well. I'd personally prefer something in a very light grey used in this particular car.
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Mark Luft
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Username: bentleyman1993

Post Number: 94
Registered: 10-2016
Posted on Thursday, 17 August, 2017 - 03:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Sorry Brian, Prince passed in 2016.
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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1655
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Thursday, 17 August, 2017 - 08:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I really like the purple, but yes Brian I agree, white does not age well at all.
The Phantom I saw (owned by a customer) at the Peninsular Hotel had white interior, and along with a full cigarette hole in the back seat, it looked quite dirty.
I wouldn't go any lighter than the beige my Shadow has, but for looks the lighter colours look stunning.

For the new Phantom, I really do like the 2 tone car I put at the top of this post.

I do like that it is the first Rolls-Royce ever to not have the chrome trim up the centre of the bonnet, which I thought I didn't like at first, but now I just really like the clean bonnet, and the rounded shape it has in the middle pressing.


I also like the new integration of the grill into the bonnet, looks so much better than how they did the Ghost.



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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1656
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Saturday, 19 August, 2017 - 04:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Another pic of the bonnet lines.

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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1659
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Tuesday, 22 August, 2017 - 08:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Everyone here likes a shapely arse.

So here is a nice arse shot guys.

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Omar M. Shams
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Username: omar

Post Number: 1284
Registered: 4-2009
Posted on Thursday, 24 August, 2017 - 04:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

we do love them..........
and the arses too.......
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Patrick Lockyer.
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Username: pat_lockyer

Post Number: 1507
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Monday, 11 September, 2017 - 05:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Omar, plenty of sponsorship on this one.
Cannon run 8-10 Sept Nottingham- Newcastle, this was a coffee stop on the 9th at the Lakeland Motor Museum in the Lake district.
IMO the cars shape does grow on you but it is huge with superb performance.

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Omar M. Shams
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Username: omar

Post Number: 1301
Registered: 4-2009
Posted on Monday, 11 September, 2017 - 05:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

That's a ghost mate.
The Phantom is a much prettier car.
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Patrick Lockyer.
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Username: pat_lockyer

Post Number: 1508
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Monday, 11 September, 2017 - 06:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Bud, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"!
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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1676
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Monday, 11 September, 2017 - 06:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I love all of them.
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Mark Herbstreit
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Username: mark_herbstreit

Post Number: 169
Registered: 5-2005
Posted on Monday, 11 September, 2017 - 10:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Patrick R

"I do like that it is the first Rolls-Royce ever to not have the chrome trim up the centre of the bonnet"

Camargue owners may have something to say about that . But I agree the curves rather than the triangulated lines to the grille are attractive.
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Geoff Wootton
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Username: dounraey

Post Number: 1776
Registered: 5-2012
Posted on Tuesday, 12 September, 2017 - 02:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Mark - That's a very interesting observation. I thought manufacturers had stopped using centre of the bonnet strips in the 1980s, for safety reasons. Obviously not, given that RR have only just removed it in their latest models.
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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1678
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Tuesday, 12 September, 2017 - 07:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Really good pick up there Mark.
I would have sworn they had a centre bonnet trim
But I simply neglected this model in my thoughts for no other reason than I forgot about it.

I will have to modify my statement to something like
"Designed in house by Rolls Royce models"

Thoughts?
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Omar M. Shams
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Username: omar

Post Number: 1328
Registered: 4-2009
Posted on Saturday, 30 September, 2017 - 03:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

My plan to buy a Phantom is taking shape. Firstly because as predicted their prices are dropping and secondly because I am getting there with my target of selling cars.

I have to sell 10 cars to allow the Phantom to come home. I have now sold a 79 VW Bay bus, a 69 E type Jag and maybe my 72 Toyota Celica. Only 7 more to go before February.....
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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1701
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Saturday, 30 September, 2017 - 04:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Omar,
How good is your Celica, is it original?
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Omar M. Shams
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Username: omar

Post Number: 1329
Registered: 4-2009
Posted on Saturday, 30 September, 2017 - 04:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Yes it is.
When restoring it I had to get the bumpers form Australia.
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Omar M. Shams
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Username: omar

Post Number: 1330
Registered: 4-2009
Posted on Saturday, 30 September, 2017 - 04:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1702
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Saturday, 30 September, 2017 - 08:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Nice car mate
One of the very first Celica's.
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Benoit Leus
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Username: benoitleus

Post Number: 313
Registered: 6-2009
Posted on Wednesday, 11 October, 2017 - 06:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Last weekend I saw the new Phantom at Belgium's premier classic car event, "The Zoute Grand Prix".
It's quite elegant, but I felt the previous generation had more presence.

Still, I woulnd't mind finding it in my garage.

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Patrick Lockyer.
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Username: pat_lockyer

Post Number: 1557
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Wednesday, 11 October, 2017 - 06:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Goodness me it looks more like a German tank from the front.
The styling is a lost cause IMO.
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David Gore
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Username: david_gore

Post Number: 2688
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Wednesday, 11 October, 2017 - 06:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Unfortunately IMHO, most if not all, manufacturers have not found the right design for headlight surrounds for the new LED lights.

Their small size appears to have confounded the body stylists and retractable covers have always been a source of unwanted problems due to reliability.

The current Tesla Model S is an example of what I regard as acceptable styling:

Tesla

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Brian Vogel
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Username: guyslp

Post Number: 2446
Registered: 6-2009
Posted on Wednesday, 11 October, 2017 - 08:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Patrick Lockyer wrote: "Goodness me it looks more like a German tank from the front.
The styling is a lost cause IMO.
"

About which we are entirely in agreement. I have not seen such a polarizing design come out of Rolls-Royce since the Camargue.

Someone else I know who's an RR enthusiast of long standing said it best with regard to the Goodwood Phantom: "Vulgar."

They have always struck me as profoundly clumsy looking in all their guises, including the coupe and DHC.

I don't love the remaining current design idiom from Rolls-Royce, either, but it's better than the Phantom. I keep hoping the next generation of sheet metal is right around the corner and it will be a major departure from the current one.

Brian

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