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alan white
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Username: wp51dos

Post Number: 3
Registered: 10-2009
Posted on Monday, 16 November, 2009 - 03:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

please allow post here for no response other board

i wish to buy a rolls royce or bentley.

am looking for that point on the depreciation curve where there is good remaining miles before engine overhaul.

want folowing i think

95 or newer ( freon to newer w134 would seem unwise )

long wheelbase ( were all models long wheelbase 1997 and newer ? )

no turbo ( too many moving parts }

advice please.
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Paul Yorke
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Username: paul_yorke

Post Number: 483
Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Monday, 16 November, 2009 - 03:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Alan, Unless you are planning on doing phenomenal mileage, the rest of the car will almost certainly wear out before the engine. Keep teh oil changed though.

I'm not really a facts and figures guy and wont swear to this but . . .

Some Spirits were made in 1997 I think, but most were LWB,

All the Spurs were Non Turbos I think. ( Well except flying Spurs but they were a little earlier)

Late R-R seem to be holding their prices firly well over here. I have not followed the US market for a while.

Make sure you get the car inspected by a R-R specialist before buying :-)
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James Feller
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Username: james_feller

Post Number: 100
Registered: 5-2008
Posted on Monday, 16 November, 2009 - 12:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Actually Spurs from 96 on were Turbocharged I believe.

Alan, you say 'no turbo' too many moving parts. The turbos engines are identical to normally aspoed cars. There are no more moving parts than in the normal cars. The turbos just ahve the addition of a turbo charger unit.
The turbo is a robust truck sized Garrett Airreasearch unit and very rarely if ever gives any trouble( the electronics may from time to time need attention but the actually turbo unit is solid) If anything service wise re Turbo the unit may require seals if really worn. Even if it does require an overhaul its not going to be an issue for you as the cars you are looking at are indeed the last in the line of these crewe cars. As Paul mentions, these cars if oil changes and regular attention is paid to them will virtually last forever and cost much less than most people imagine to keep ship shape...
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alan white
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Username: wp51dos

Post Number: 4
Registered: 10-2009
Posted on Tuesday, 17 November, 2009 - 02:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

i have a 57 tbird with carburetor. the club has members with supercharged models. they are beautiful but PITA to maintain.

i also own a 67 jaguar also with carburetors. the jag club has members with supercharged xjr's.
so far the main complaint is access to repair other stuff.

i am in this for the long haul.

i want to be able to fix what i own.

i have read all ot the t one topics.

that is why i want no turbo.

best regards

alan white

ps say hello to your alan white for me - i read about him in t one.
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Paul Yorke
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Username: paul_yorke

Post Number: 488
Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Tuesday, 17 November, 2009 - 10:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Unfortunately, like old age - Turbos do not come alone!

Although the unit itself is pretty bomb proof, The extra electronics and electro-mechanical units are another source of problems.

The extra heat generated from the turbo and turbo engine is another source of wear and tear.

Various seals, hoses, and pipes are under pressure.

An extra water cooling system on later cars with fans , matrices, hoses etc.

Plus they are certainly harder to work on.

Fun to drive though! :-)
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David Gore
Moderator
Username: david_gore

Post Number: 916
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Wednesday, 18 November, 2009 - 10:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

"Plus they are certainly harder to work on.

Fun to drive though!"


Another confirmation of the adage "you don't get something for nothing" ......
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Craig Knight
Experienced User
Username: grum_ck

Post Number: 18
Registered: 9-2007
Posted on Wednesday, 18 November, 2009 - 11:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Plus, as I’m just looking at doing the brakes on my ‘post 95’ Turbo… they have upgraded (‘performance’) brakes, that cost around twice as much for the genuine article. Plus I haven’t been able to source them in Australia (yet). Still looking for options, but it’s another thing to the cost/complexity of owning a (late model) turbo.
Did somebody say fun to drive though!?
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alan white
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Username: wp51dos

Post Number: 5
Registered: 10-2009
Posted on Sunday, 22 November, 2009 - 11:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

silver dawn 1997 has long wheelbase and no turbo,

usa spec cars had cfc free a/c.

obdc2.

but appparently only about 50 produced.

now to find one.
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StevenBrown
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Username: stevenbrown

Post Number: 49
Registered: 10-2008
Posted on Wednesday, 10 March, 2010 - 07:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

To convert from R12 to W134a is fairly simple and should not be very costly. If the A/C is in working order. Just have a shop evacuate the system with their machine. Suck out the old R12. Flush the lines and install new gas input and output stems. Load the new ester oil into the A/C system. Then the 134a. Your done.

Find most late model 1995 Spurs are around $38,000 and up to about $60,000 in the U.S and Can markets. Then the Seraph might be a better deal over a last year Spur. I'm looking for a fair deal on either. Didn't like the Seraph until I drove one. So if you must have a factory 134a A/C you might consider Seraphs as well. :-)
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StevenBrown
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Username: stevenbrown

Post Number: 50
Registered: 10-2008
Posted on Wednesday, 10 March, 2010 - 10:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Just noticed the other thread on this topic. Mr. Treacy beat me to the simple conversation for A/C.

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