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Carl Jones
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Post Number: 38
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Posted on Monday, 22 June, 2020 - 16:56:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I see Pirelli have introduced their CN72 tyre in the correct 205 VR15 size. I am curious if anyone has experience in using these on a Silver Shadow, particularly over the Avon Turbosteel 205 R15?

I understand this is somewhat subjective, since I cannot imagine anyone testing both :-)
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Mark Herbstreit
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Posted on Tuesday, 23 June, 2020 - 20:26:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I would not put a pirelli on my wheelbarrow! I put a set on the turbo r and they go square overnight. The only thing worse than the tyres is pirellis attitude. They replaced one under warranty equally as bad as the rest. On a second attempt at a resolution they said I had flat spotted them. They had been up the freeway once then parked overnight. You could still see the manufacturing “pips” on the tread. I would love to set them on fire and hurl them through the front window of pirelli headquarters. Never again!
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Omar M. Shams
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Posted on Tuesday, 23 June, 2020 - 20:52:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I have not bought a Pirelli for the last 20 years. That will not change any time soon for me....
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gordon le feuvre
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Posted on Saturday, 27 June, 2020 - 18:51:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

In the early days radial ply tyres were an option on uk cars. Some days be working in Shadow with radials-just get used to feeling how it worked in rain-then next job was on cross ply. Had some hairy moments when i forgot!
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Patrick Lockyer.
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Posted on Saturday, 27 June, 2020 - 21:22:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Cripes and I thought 1970 was when compliant suspension was introduced on Shadows for the purpose
of progress with the fitment of radial tyres.

So 1965- 1970 you could have cross ply to the front and with radial or bias belted tyres on the rear axle or radials all round if requested.
The mind boggles.
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Trevor Hodgekinson
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Post Number: 183
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Posted on Saturday, 27 June, 2020 - 22:34:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Interesting
We had 8 cars originally in the fleet
All shadow1's bar the Bently T
Two came fitted with Turbo Steels and are beautiful to drive and QUIET
The other 6 were all wearing Goodyears and the road noise form them was unbelievable.
Thus the Turbo Steels were always fitted to the brides car regardless of which car that was.
I liked the Pirellis on my A 65.
You need a sticky tyre on a motorcycle but the compound was too soft and wore illegal in under 1000 miles so I kept a set on spare wheels for winter riding.
looks like they have the same problem with car tyres
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Carl Jones
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Posted on Sunday, 28 June, 2020 - 16:20:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Thanks for the comments! Appears uncharted waters with these Pirellis it seems.

In another life when I had a tyre shop I was a large re-seller of Pirelli product. I had the odd warranty claim which was handled promptly. It's shame you had that experience Mark.

Patrick, Rolls Royce politely but firmly do not suggest mixing radial and cross plies:

http://rrtechnical.info/sy/tsd2476/16r.pdf

Bottom right of page 10.

I run a 235/70-15 Michelin XVS on the Mulsanne-S. However I have no other tyre to confirm if it's good apart from the Nangkang Toursport NS which were fitted to the car upon my purchase by the previous owner. Absolute rubbish. Very poor wet weather grip.

So it appears you can fit a 235/70-15 to these early pre 18269 cars provided they are fitted with the 6 1/2" rims.

Question:

1. If that is the case above, is there any issue with a 235 section tyre in the spare wheel carrier on these vehicles designed for the 205 section tyre?

2. Any issue with interference with the inner guard, wheel arch, suspension etc?
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gordon le feuvre
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Post Number: 351
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Posted on Sunday, 28 June, 2020 - 18:30:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Patrick, did not meam mix them on same car! (although i have seen that) Compliant suspension was designed/introduced as a result of radial tyres being fitted as standard, but harshness/noise at lower speeds was higher than cross ply. Bulletin SY/H18 of TSD2933 refers
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Patrick Lockyer.
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Posted on Sunday, 28 June, 2020 - 20:39:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Nothing to stop fitting cross plies to the front axle and radial to the rear MOT pass, so long as they are not mixed on the same axle.
RR may have made suggestions on what type tyres to fit but that is all.

Regarding the fitting of 235-70-15 tyre to a non flared arch Shadow that is sure a no go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hubert Kelly
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Posted on Monday, 29 June, 2020 - 06:06:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Hi ..check out this video.. some might find it of interest.
I bought my Avons of this company 2/3 years ago.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nKRf4Mp980Q
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Patrick Ryan
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Posted on Monday, 29 June, 2020 - 06:22:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

You are spot on Patrick L.
Wide tyres on early Shadows just don’t fit.

Another thing is the popularity of fitting wider tyres to narrow rims. This is also a no no, especially on heavy cars.

Tyres that are to wide will then tend to “bag” out where it contacts the road, and then friction or overworking of the sidewall happens.
This produces excessive heat, and the premature failure of the tyre, especially if the pressures are low.
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Jeff Martin
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Posted on Monday, 29 June, 2020 - 08:01:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I have a pair of the Michelin XVS's on my Jaguar, they are a nice driving tire and track well, but they don't appear to be made in the right size for an early Shadow _ too wide at 235/70R15.

What about a 225/75R15, that would be not much wider and a bit taller then the 205/70R15.
They're not made in that Michelin XVS size, but lots out there too choose from.
Toyo has them in their Extensa line, quiet and comfortable, not a aggressive tread.
Side wall isn't too bad ???
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Brian Vogel
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Posted on Monday, 29 June, 2020 - 08:18:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Download the RR & Bentley Parts, Repair, Restoration & Other Resources Compilation and search on Tire Size Information.
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Carl Jones
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Posted on Monday, 29 June, 2020 - 13:01:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

OK, thanks again for the information. Patrick, I think the Shadows after 13485 (Introduction of compliant front suspension) have 6 1/2" rims. If that is the case, then a 235/70-15 would be fine on that rim, since Rolls Royce engineers deemed that to be satisfactory, even on the Shadow II.

So the question remains, if these cars after 12734 have 6 1/2" rims, then a 235/70-15 can be fitted. However are there any issues with interference with bodywork? That seems to be the only consideration.

Jeff, thanks for the suggestion, I'm keen on fitting the factory approved sizes only. I'm coming back to the original 205 R15s, since they are the only ones recommended by Rolls Royce for the pre 18269 cars and no one seems to know if there are bodywork issues with a 235 section tyre.
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gordon le feuvre
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Posted on Wednesday, 01 July, 2020 - 18:25:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Carl-yes. 235 tyres were ONLY fitted after 18269-standard cars-that was introduction of modified body shell known as "flared arch" for the reasons you say. Coach built cars were some 300 chassis numbers behind. This was during 1974. That said, i have seen 235 tyres on pre flared arch cars. There appears to be enough clearance, but of course this is with car stationary. Once car is driven hard with suspension movement/loadings on mounts-well that's a different story!
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Jeff Martin
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Posted on Wednesday, 01 July, 2020 - 22:48:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

It will be interesting to see what you choose Carl.
Since the later Shadows were fitted with the 235/70's, if you do go with that, it will give the car a more modern look and it will look correct. ( you will be very pleased with the Michelin XVS tires in that size)
I guess it depends how early your car is and what you can get into the fender well.
Keep in mind that nothing looks worse on a classic car then someone trying to fit too wide a tire into the fender well, it may work, but with so little clearance, it looks wrong.

Owners with Mark II Jaguars do this all the time.
They put a 205 or a 215 on and there is like a finger width clearance between the tire and the fender skirt.
I look at things like that and think, the guy with the nice Jag can't take the time to install the correct tires.

It's not like someone trying to fit a wide tire on a Mark VI Bentley or Dawn, it just doesn't look correct either.

A club member running Bias ply tires had a failure, and for what ever reason, his spare was not available.
The nearest tire place at the time was Canadian Tire and although the 235/70r16's were about the correct diameter to the 650/16's, they were just too wide.
They looked great from the side, but not from the front. The car looked like it had to go on a calorie reduced diet.
Plus they were basically a LT tire with this somewhat bold print on the sidewall.
It got him home though.
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Jeff Martin
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Post Number: 77
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Posted on Wednesday, 01 July, 2020 - 23:01:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

What about this ?
Certainly less expensive, I have no idea how it is in comparison to the soft Avon tire.

https://www.cokertire.com/tires/phoenix-205r15-black-wall.html

There's a fair amount of them out there, but one has to be aware of cheap tires from China, like these, more then likely.

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/radar/dimax-classic/205-80-r15-97v-935135

.
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Carl Jones
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Posted on Saturday, 04 July, 2020 - 13:04:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Thank you Gordon and Jeff.

OK, here we go. Firstly, I bought the car as to which these tyres pertain, SRH 17415. It's a remarkably original vehicle with 32,600 miles documented from new. The tyres are aged, Bridgestone SF237 215/75-15, 17 years old. The car has the original spare, a Dunlop SP68 205 R15. These Dunlop tyres appear on the build sheet.

Jeff, I have the XVS on the Mulsanne-S, and am very happy with them. The directional stability improved over the Nankangs. Not to mention the wet weather grip.

So back to 17415. I went with the original size being 205 R15 and I chose the Pirelli CN72. I bought 5 as the spare is simply plain dangerous. I went with the Pirelli because I use their classic series on other vehicles and they are quite a soft compound and well made.
I replace tyres every 8 years and the greater wear rate of this soft compound will still mean they'll be aged by the time the 8 years is up. The TWI (Tread wear index) is half that of the cheaper alternatives which makes the car safer too. The others I've used also balanced up nicely and had no run-out.

I discounted the AVON Turbosteel for the reason that I have fitted a few in the past and the quality control was quite poor. Easy to balance but many of the new ones I've fitted have been out of round.

Jeff, that Phoenix is interesting. I did not know of its existence. Phoenix were one of the first tyre producers to work with a car manufacturer. It was the Mercedes-Benz 230 SL, so there's a reasonable chance it's a high quality tyre. In Australia at least, this tyre is not available to my knowledge. The Dimax-Classic appears to be the business too, however again not available here.

It is heartening to see manufacturers making tyres in classic sizes these days, once you start looking, quite a few correct sizes pop up. Thank you to everyone for all the suggestions.

The load ratings of all these tyres mentioned above in the 205 R15 size is 97 being 730 kg. A Silver Shadow 1 has 1,270kg across the front axle. Load ratings are an insurance issue here in Australia, but not the speed rating, which is the other way around in Europe. I note the later 235/70-15 equipped cars specify on the placard a 101, or 825 Kg. rating. The load rating of the original Dunlop spare for 17415 is 1,600 pounds or a 97.
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Carl Jones
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Posted on Saturday, 04 July, 2020 - 13:10:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Here's a pic:

https://www.cinturato.net/pirelli-cinturato-cn72.html
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Jeff Martin
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Posted on Sunday, 05 July, 2020 - 04:04:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Carl, I would be interested in what you paid for those Pirelli Cinturato's.
Here in Canada, there are no classic car tire dealers at all, we have to bring them in from the US or the UK with great cost and shipping expense.
The tires on my Jag cost around 1,300 Can dollars plus shipping taxes and duty, so somewhere at 1,500.
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Carl Jones
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Posted on Sunday, 05 July, 2020 - 13:40:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Jeff, the tyres are $674 CAD retail each here in Australia. I'm involved in the trade (Mechanical workshop) and Pirelli assisted me with pricing, they were able to chop 15% off that price. We are well served for classic fitment tyres, which is great for me, since I have no newish cars.

If you're keen on chasing up specialist fitments, the other possibility is to keep an eye on the offers from the UK suppliers such as Longstone:

https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/tyres/205-15.html

Vintage Tyres:

https://www.vintagetyres.com/shop/tyres/width-205/diameter-15

Every now and then, these two have offers that include either complimentary or subsidised freight.

Closer to home might be Lucas Classic Tyres in CA:

https://www.lucasclassictires.com/205R15_c100.htm

What about this crowd in Canada:

http://www.vintagetirescanada.com/

and

https://www.rockyislandtire.com/Antique-Classic-Tires
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Jeff Martin
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Posted on Monday, 06 July, 2020 - 11:14:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Thanks Carl, I wasn't aware that there was even a Canadian distributor for vintage tires.

I'm not happy with the 650R16's on my Bentley.
They have this big vulgar "Michelin" on the side of them, that's all there was at the time.

They are actually farm rib 10 ply tires, the tread looks OK and surprisingly they do ride well enough, it's just the sidewall.
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Patrick Lockyer.
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Posted on Monday, 06 July, 2020 - 18:35:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

After using Goodride tyres on a modern with all four tyres wearing about the same


with no probs I will try a set on the Shadow.




215/70/15 is the size I used about fifteen years ago and still going but the side walls are now showing signs off cracking, not helped by the towing.
I shall go with 215/75/15 now that the towing is not needed very much.



£216.00 delivered, let you know how they perform.

BTW they top out at a 118 mph, Shadow one I once had an indicated speed of 120 mph testing, anyone know the top speed of a Shadow?
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David Gore
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DRH14434 1973 Corniche with pre-emission configuration 9:1 compression UK engine and 98 RON fuel on remote level bitumen road with no wind achieved 130mph measured by GPS device with top down. The engine timing was 8 deg BTDC [normal setting 6 deg BTDC].

If the road had been longer to allow the engine to reach maximum revolutions, it may have gone faster.
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Omar M. Shams
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Posted on Tuesday, 07 July, 2020 - 16:38:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Our David the speed demon......
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David Gore
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Omar,

Yes - my fastest speed ever is 150mph in my 1971 XY 351CID 2BBL 4 speed manual LSD GS pack Ford Falcon which was one of a special production run by Ford to homologate this model for Class D in the 1971 Bathurst 1000 - the legendary Falcon GTHO was in Class E however I could not afford the extra cost to buy one let alone the insurance penalty that applied to the Falcon GT and GTHO models. In those days, we didn't have a maximum speed limit like we have to put up with today. The car was fitted with a 3.23:1 LSD that gave 25mph/1000rpm and the hydraulic lifters "pumped up" at 6000rpm which protected the Cleveland V8 from over-revving and putting a rod through the block which they were prone to do when pushed too hard.

I kept this car for 8 years and put just under 300,000 miles on it and only sold it when I was given a company car and the birth of my first child dictated my family had to come first. The car was purchased by a Ford fanatic who modified it to Falcon GT specifications [i.e. fitted a 4BBL 750CFM Holley carburettor to replace the 650CFM 2BBL on the GS Pack engine plus replacing the hydraulic valve lifters with solid lifters] and then wrote it off after losing control and wrapping it around a tree.

Both cars are eagerly sought today by enthusiasts at sky-high prices.
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Omar M. Shams
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Dear David,
Nice cars - as was the Corniche that you had.
My fastest speed was 220 Km/h in a Citroen SM in 1980 something BC (Before Children).
Nowadays it is easy to get up to that kind of speed, but our brains change after we have children and we just don't travel at those speeds anymore.
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David Gore
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Omar,

My experience is proof that you have to do things whenever you have the opportunity while you are young!

As we age gracefully [or preferably disgracefully], the opportunities we had whilst we were young become less frequent and rationality has to prevail over experimentation and pushing the boundaries.

Memories, wonderful memories and experiences never to be forgotten.
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Jeff Martin
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Hey Carl
You guys in Australia sure pay more for things even though your dollar routinely is at par with our Canadian dollar.
One tire in a 650r16 Black Wall is 433.00$ Can.

I guess a huge part if that is shipping _ must be.
The distributor here for some Diamond Back Tires is with in a stones throw where I live and they are brought across the US border right next door where they are stocked.

I consider myself lucky !

The pie crust look would look totally period on the Mark VI.
Less the white wall, but I haven't really decided on that yet.
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Jeff Martin
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Carl Jones
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Jeff,

That's an interesting looking tyre.

Australia has two problems with the price of just about everything. We've a small population, some 25 million and we're geographically isolated. Some items are distributed/wholesaled by independent companies that need their cut. Unlike the US model where the distribution is usually handled by a wholly owned subsidiary of the manufacturer with slimmer margins.

None the less, some things are incredibly cheap here compared to Europe. For example, I can buy a BMW motorcycle cheaper here than I can in Germany. Bizarre. Car insurance too is another items that is cheap here. Porsche and Ferrari parts are on par with overseas once the shipping is factored in. But that's about it for me, everything else is cheaper overseas.
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Patrick Lockyer.
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The Goodride tyres arrived today, I fitted them and have not balanced them yet as I have no longer
to a on car balancer.
Gave the car a good run and tyres seem smooth and quiet, ride seems very smooth.
good value for the price paid.



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Jeff Martin
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So what was the actual size in the end ?
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Patrick Lockyer.
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Jeff, 215/75/15.
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Carl Jones
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Well done, what a lovely looking car too, congratulations.
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Carl Jones
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Well, I fitted up the new tyres to the rims ready to go on the car. I don't have a hub adapter for my balancer which initially worried me as the centre section of the rim appears somewhat poorly finished. I ended up fitting the rims to the balancer without tyres first and checking run out with a dial indicator. Amazingly, the high spot of the rim corresponded with the "H" stamping on the rim so I was pleasantly surprised. One rim however did have 3mm of radial run out so I made that the spare. Even so, that rim only required 20g of weight to balance.

The others were all 1mm or less of run out and only rquired 5-10g of weight. The Pirelli tyres balanced up fine and I was able to match the low spot of the tyre with the "H" or high spot of the rim.

Performing a match balance like this took the whole day, but I'm glad I did it. With the tyres, one was quite heavy even with the match balance but still only required 40g.

I'll be interested to see how they perform on the car. Will still be some weeks before it's ready.
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Carl Jones
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I just tried to post some images but gosh, what a total PITA. Does it have to be this hard in this day and age????????
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michael vass
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Hi Carl
From what I know this site uses very old software and the biggest image is 640x480 ok
I know this thread is on about sy's but I have just put contis on my turbo r and they feel much better, although not driven much yet due to the awful uk weather.
Mike
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Patrick Lockyer.
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When I fitted mine I was not allowed to lift much after an opp so thought I would try the old bubble
balancer




Most weight was 30g,s tried the car and no vibrations but will carry a proper job with balancing both planes.
Wish I could get my old Remco on car balancer working that IMO was a proper balance with the hubs discs etc, once done the wheels went back on the same stud position.
Well pleased with the China made tyres Politics aside.
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ross kowalski
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Here's the tire plant code list

http://www.tiresafetygroup.com/tire-dot-plant-codes-sorted-plant-code/

You will see that a lot of those plant codes are in China.
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Patrick Lockyer.
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Never new that plant codes existed.
Now that is interesting reading.
PIRELLI TYRE CO. LTD. 51 YANZHOU SHANDONG CHINA.
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Carl Jones
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That list was fascinating. Staggering to see how many Chinese manufacturers there are.

The CN72s I bought came from Turkey. Apparently that's where their classic range is manufactured.

All the Michelin Classic range come from Serbia.
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Brian Vogel
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Carl Jones wrote, I just tried to post some images but gosh, what a total PITA. Does it have to be this hard in this day and age????????

The quick answer to your rhetorical question is, "No," but we're not using forums software that is of "this day and age."

I have found it much, much easier to use the backslash { image } formatting option to insert images easily. See the formatting page. It's way easier than using the Upload Attachment button, and you'll be prompted for the images to be inserted for each image control in your message text.

As an aside, I'm not shocked by the information you found regarding tires, and their points of manufacture, at all. Over the years I have learned that brand names are for marketing, and while there's definitely quality assurance that's better for some than others, they will all find "lowest bidder to make to our spec" no matter where that bidder is located.

The idea that there are "tires from {insert nation X}" based on where a given brand may have originated has been invalid for many, many years now. That's not how supply chains have worked in any part for automobiles.

Brian
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Jeff Martin
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Posted on Wednesday, 19 August, 2020 - 13:23:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

You just have to resize the photos, I use a free photo editing application and it works well enough.
It would be nice though if the site would tell you what size they need to be before one tries to post.

The bigger problem is that the forum is so old, that it can't be easily upgraded, one would have to start from scratch and literally retype everything and reload all the photos.

Personally I like it with out all the very annoying ads of a modern forum.

Get Paint.net.

https://www.getpaint.net/
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Trevor Hodgekinson
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Posted on Wednesday, 19 August, 2020 - 15:15:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Consolidated Capital knows no borders only % profits .
manufacture where it is the absolute cheapest then mark up according to the country where they are being sold
So the Chinese tyres are probably marked up x 100 in the USA & UK, x 50 in HK & x 10 in India & Africia
Original factory gets repurposed for making even more expensive hand laid low volume tyres and any spare space gets sold off.
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Carl Jones
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Username: carl888

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Registered: 04-2013
Posted on Saturday, 22 August, 2020 - 13:15:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

OK, so I've having a go at "quoting"

http://au.rrforums.net/cgi-bin/forum/show.pl?tpc=17001&post=64858#POST64858

I'm laughing right now because actually a few weeks back I used the "Search" function under 'Photograph" + "Posting Images" and "Formatting" but it came up with nothing.

So Brian, thanks for your tutorial, I'll give it a go.

Jeff, I understand I have to re-size the pictures, thanks, but it's too time consuming, the forum software should do that automatically.

Even having to put my user name and P/W into every post grates, it's just crap, sorry. It is.
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Carl Jones
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Username: carl888

Post Number: 66
Registered: 04-2013
Posted on Saturday, 22 August, 2020 - 13:16:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

lol, OK, the quote didn't work, what went wrong, any ideas?
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Carl Jones
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Username: carl888

Post Number: 67
Registered: 04-2013
Posted on Saturday, 22 August, 2020 - 13:25:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Here's some pictures of the wheels and tyres after I cleaned them up and the fitting process:

Moderator Intervention: I deleted the long links due to scrolling required and replaced them with the actual images as below.
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ross kowalski
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Registered: 11-2015
Posted on Sunday, 23 August, 2020 - 01:25:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Carl,

I very much like that tread pattern, very period and I am going to guess very quiet.

Regarding posting photos.

I have a camera app called simple camera that I leave set to 640 x 480 picture size which I use to photograph things I think might go online.

When writing a post on my phone, I click the "upload attachment" button at the bottom of the screen then click the "choose photo" button, then select a photo, then click the "upload" button.

I have no trouble using this method, and because all the photos are nativly 640x480 they all work.
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ross kowalski
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Username: cdfpw

Post Number: 1455
Registered: 11-2015
Posted on Sunday, 23 August, 2020 - 01:46:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Carl,

I think the biggest problem I have with the forum software is that it doesn't reformat them page when you are using a phone. The little "jump to the bottom of the thread" button becomes absolutely microscopic and impossible to tap without zooming.

I know the reason the forum isn't being replaced by a more modern one is the risk of losing old posts. But converting the old posts over is not an insurmountable task just tricky.

This forum appears to be running a PERL based BB product from Discusware a now defunct internet company.

I just looked it up on the https://web.archive.org/ and there might be some information there about how it stored the information.
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David Gore
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Username: david_gore

Post Number: 3761
Registered: 04-2003
Posted on Sunday, 23 August, 2020 - 08:47:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

OK - here's "the drum" on posting photos on the forum when they are too large for direct posting:

1. Maximum width for posting without requiring viewers to scroll across the page on normal display settings is 800 pixels. Best resolution for clarity and possible resizing after a viewer downloads the image is 300dpi. Height is not an issue as scrolling down to view a long image is intuitive.

2. There are numerous freeware tools for enhancing and resizing images to specific widths to suit this and other forums; I have Adobe Photoshop CS2 which is professional software however many freeware alternatives are just as good and your preference prevails.

3. The posting process requires the following steps:

i. Use the (backslash)image{......} command when adding an image where "....." is the image file name.

ii. After composing the post, use the Preview/Post command and a new screen will appear with a box showing "Your Image Here". Click on "Post This Message" and a new screen will appear titled "Image/Attachment Upload Form" with a "chose file button" to navigate to wherever your image is stored and select the appropriate image[s] for posting before hitting the "Upload" command at the bottom of the page to complete the post and it will appear on the forum. If the image size is not set correctly, a "wider than screen width" image can appear [which, IMHO, is an utter nuisance].

Postscript: It is my opinion most inconvenience appears to be associated with members using a phone for reading, composing and posting messages instead of a PC with a large screen and full keyboard. These were the only devices in common use available at the time the forum software was created and mobile phones were a long way into the future.

Our Administrator has repeatedly investigated possible means of accessing, reprocessing and storing the forum image and documentation archives for use with more modern software. This has met with a lack of success in finding suitable software that can perform this task successfully without onerous demands on time and resources to achieve a successful outcome.

Be assured, if a workable solution is possible, it would be implemented as a priority.

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David Gore
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Username: david_gore

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Posted on Sunday, 23 August, 2020 - 09:16:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

After following the steps detailed above, this is the outcome for the image links posted by Carl. I deleted the image of the tyre "H" rating for an image quality issue:

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Jeff Martin
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Username: jeff_r_1

Post Number: 122
Registered: 07-2018
Posted on Sunday, 23 August, 2020 - 12:51:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

This tires have such nice plane side walls, no ugly logos.
They'll look great cleaned up with a low sheen finish on them.
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Carl Jones
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Username: carl888

Post Number: 71
Registered: 04-2013
Posted on Sunday, 23 August, 2020 - 18:17:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Jeff, yes, they look great IMO, I'll be interested to see how they perform on the car.

David, thanks very much for posting the images. I'll give it a go thanks to your instructions over the coming days. Were you ever a diplomat?

BTW, The "H" image was not actually a tyre, but rather the "H" stamping on the rim itself to indicate the high spot.

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