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     felipe heuser Experienced User Username: felipe Post Number: 12 Registered: 7-2017 |
Hello and today spoke to a friend restoring a one family owner 1958 Silver Wraith LWB with factory partition which has been shipped here to Mallorca for complete restoration work undertaken by one of few experts in Spain. The rear window glass needs replacing and the two delivered thus far have cracked in two places once fitted. Is there any specialist in making correct tempered glass for this project? Many thanks | ||
| richard george yeaman Grand Master Username: richyrich Post Number: 893 Registered: 4-2012 |
Felipe, the opening may not be square, also no metal tools should be used to fit the glass. | ||
| felipe heuser Experienced User Username: felipe Post Number: 13 Registered: 7-2017 |
Thanks Richard, but I believe it cracked well after instalment due to pressure of the curved frame...besides this man really knows what he's doing. | ||
| Patrick Lockyer. Grand Master Username: pat_lockyer Post Number: 1682 Registered: 9-2004 |
I had to get a laminated screen made here in the UK for a one off. Could have been a costly job, tooling etc, found a place in London that was very reasonable. Email me if you need details. | ||
| richard george yeaman Grand Master Username: richyrich Post Number: 897 Registered: 4-2012 |
Felipe with all due respect to you and the person who fitted both screens, adequate clearance should be provided between glass and frame, the frame should be free from buckles bumps and rust, My qualifications are that myself and my squad of Domestic and Commercial window fitters were involved in fitting hundreds of thousands of glass units for a period of just over 20 years I retired in 2009, And the saying in the trade was you are just as good as your last job. Richard. | ||
| Patrick Lockyer. Grand Master Username: pat_lockyer Post Number: 1683 Registered: 9-2004 |
Richard, was it the Allegros that would crack screens if incorrectly jacked up! | ||
| richard george yeaman Grand Master Username: richyrich Post Number: 898 Registered: 4-2012 |
Patrick before I started in the construction Industry I had a Salvage business I remember having an Allegro that the previous owner had left into a main dealer in Belfast to have it serviced after or prior to the service a young mechanic took the car out into the yard done a hand break turn and twisted the body the car was totalled, and you are correct about the jacking being a bit of a gamble all in all BL had a lot of losers the Marina was a better car of a bad lot. Richard. | ||
| felipe heuser Experienced User Username: felipe Post Number: 15 Registered: 7-2017 |
I don’t know the restorer well enough to question his expertise in fitting glass… that said could very well be better mechanically inclined than specific cosmetic qualifications. He’s presently disillusioned after a long ground up restoration and asked me kindly to research the net (admitting he’s not terribly internet literate) as he seems convinced the grade of glass is defective. Possibly investigating the screen manufacturer details and distributor one could identify the root of the problem. | ||
| richard george yeaman Grand Master Username: richyrich Post Number: 900 Registered: 4-2012 |
Felipe would it be better to start at the beginning, Was there a screen fitted before the restoration started and what state was it in if there was one, If there was none, why not. Richard. | ||
| Jim Walters Prolific User Username: jim_walters Post Number: 143 Registered: 1-2014 |
Felipe, you should contact an auto glass guy. Most of them have mobile service and they will do service calls to body shops (at least they do here) and will be able to install it without issues. SRH8505 SRC18015 SRE22493 NAC-05370 www.bristolmotors.com | ||
| richard george yeaman Grand Master Username: richyrich Post Number: 901 Registered: 4-2012 |
Jim you are so right, and a lot less costly. Richard. | ||
| felipe heuser Experienced User Username: felipe Post Number: 17 Registered: 7-2017 |
Right...details are that the Silver Wraith arrived with an acrylic screen prior to present restoration undertaking. These screens are fixed from the inside, having to remove all trimming rather than our non-coach-built fittings on the exterior. Apparently the last unknown inexperienced trimmer had cracked and replaced it with acrylic, but the owner now prefers glass. The curve at either extreme is where the screen gives and cracks, even by trying not to put total pressure and leaving some space, but to no avail. On our island of Mallorca we’re very limited with classic car experts or glass fitters, hence trying to locate a company that can produce an exact copy with correct curving from a template. The firm in UK unfortunately wasn’t successful, consequently researching an alternative solution. The restorer here has done many fittings on very complicated distinct marques, but some coach-built R-R are a bit different. LELW95 James Young No.1875 (laminated curved screen and not heated   | ||
| felipe heuser Experienced User Username: felipe Post Number: 18 Registered: 7-2017 |
Sorry, I believe photos overlapped...  | ||
| Jim Walters Prolific User Username: jim_walters Post Number: 144 Registered: 1-2014 |
I have always done my own glass work so here is what I would do. Tape up the edges of the glass with masking tape. Using handled suction cups and 3 or 4 guys, hold the glass up to the opening without the seal. Take note of where the high points are that are cracking the glass and adjust them until you can hold the glass up to the opening and the clearance is equal all around the opening. If you can't get a close enough cut out of an existing screen that matches the opening you may have to make up a template from metal and have a glass bender make you one with the correct curve. This is commonly done in custom situations. SRH8505 SRC18015 SRE22493 NAC-05370 www.bristolmotors.com | ||
| felipe heuser Experienced User Username: felipe Post Number: 20 Registered: 7-2017 |
Many thanks to all for your input and will forward suggestions... To Patrick Lockyer… have mailed you twice about details offered but no reply... | ||
| Patrick Lockyer. Grand Master Username: pat_lockyer Post Number: 1689 Registered: 9-2004 |
Felipe, don't seem to have them have also looked in the spam folder. Will have a look in the profile editor and see if all is ok. | ||
| felipe heuser Experienced User Username: felipe Post Number: 21 Registered: 7-2017 |
Patrick...how about just posting information here about glass distributor in London ? | ||
| Patrick Lockyer. Grand Master Username: pat_lockyer Post Number: 1699 Registered: 9-2004 |
Felipe, This is a pix of three screens I had made from the rough template that I made up.  Cripes time flies this was in 2002. Have found the details of the company will give them a ring and see if they are in business still. I will send you pm with details as some folk in here in the UK RR clubs are time wasters. They know who they are with high handed methods. I will not help them. | ||
| Patrick Lockyer. Grand Master Username: pat_lockyer Post Number: 1700 Registered: 9-2004 |
Felipe, looks like the company Bowden Glass ltd has closed. This is an interesting account of the works from a gent no longer with us. http://www.glias.org.uk/journals/11-c.html Will make enquiries if any other company apart from Pilikingtons and Triplex. Pix of the kiln with glass being set up with the mould in 2002 when I was dealing with a Mr C. M. Hone.  | ||
| Jim Walters Prolific User Username: jim_walters Post Number: 146 Registered: 1-2014 |
A quick search for glass bending UK shows: http://www.arc-glass.co.uk/ http://bandsglass.co.uk/ http://www.runcornglassandbending.co.uk/ http://www.hourglass.uk.com/ and more. It shouldn't be difficult to find one that can make you an accurate rear screen. SRH8505 SRC18015 SRE22493 NAC-05370 www.bristolmotors.com | ||
| felipe heuser Experienced User Username: felipe Post Number: 22 Registered: 7-2017 |
Many thanks Patrick and Jim...will contact and forward information provided. Happy motoring 2018 ! | ||
| Patrick Lockyer. Grand Master Username: pat_lockyer Post Number: 1710 Registered: 9-2004 |
Felipe, maybe this firm will be OK cost wise! https://youtu.be/Pbo_XN0HukY | ||
| Bill Vatter Frequent User Username: bill_vatter Post Number: 65 Registered: 9-2004 |
I see from your picture it is a James Young WRM 30, which I am pretty sure still used the ash frame covered with aluminum, and not the all-metal body that was becoming somewhat common. James Young, although they made some of the most attractive bodies, were not known for making the most substantial ones. In lots of places, like the A pillars, strength was sacrificed for beauty's sake. A James Young body is not as strong as a Hooper, for example, and if it gets a little floppy, you are quickly in trouble. I hope you do not have a wood rot situation, which can be prohibitively expensive to repair. Ash frame coachwork is fine as long as the wood is in good condition. Post war, wood was not as good as prewar, and body-frame rot has possibly occurred. Anyway, if the body has lost strength it will flex as the car is driven and a flexing body can crack a back glass no matter how good the fit when installed. There also might be some value in fixing the glass with semi-solid/liquid butyl rubber, which can accommodate small fit imperfections, as long as you don't force it and give the butyl time to conform to the glass-metal interface. Personal opinion, that is a better way to seat glass in custom applications, but I am not a glass expert, and I would want the advice of someone who really knows what he is doing. As in most difficult situations with cars like this one, there are very few people who really know, and no one knows it all. The most important tool in my shop is my telephone. | ||
| Trevor Pickering Experienced User Username: commander1 Post Number: 31 Registered: 6-2012 |
The rear glass in my 1953 Hooper SW was just held in with numerous brass brackets screwed into the frame on the inside to hold the glass tight against the rubber "seal" on the outside. The rubber has gone brittle and cracked so I will replace it together with some flexible sealer to keep it water tight. I removed the glass 3 years ago and it still has not been refitted as the restoration has been put on hold until later this year. Going to start again when work on my Silver Cloud is complete in April. best regards Trevor Pickering 1953 SW BLW66 |
