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Theo Whitmont
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Post Number: 43
Registered: 04-2020
Posted on Monday, 17 May, 2021 - 14:05:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Dear Brains Trust,

having recently come across the sales card for my old girl, I note that there was a horn (amongst other bits and pieces) included in the deal.

My reading suggests it was a 'cobra' horn - 4 pounds 10 shillings.

Does anyone have knowledge of these? The internet is a little low on clues (presuming my search terms are right).It sounds 'old' but not like the old Klaxon.

Any information on what was supplied in the 1930's would be appreciated.
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David Gore
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Post Number: 3935
Registered: 04-2003
Posted on Monday, 17 May, 2021 - 14:34:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Theo,

The following website might be worth an entry in their "Wanted" category - I did a trial run in the parts category for 1930's vehicles with "horn" as the key word. Didn't find a "Cobra" but did find a number of other interesting car horns:

https://www.prewarcar.com/classifieds

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Patrick Ryan
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Post Number: 2308
Registered: 04-2016
Posted on Monday, 17 May, 2021 - 20:41:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Gents,
Possibly something like this I have seen on a few older Roll-Royce.
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Theo Whitmont
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Post Number: 44
Registered: 04-2020
Posted on Thursday, 20 May, 2021 - 18:13:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Thanks gents.

Iíll come back when I know more.
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Theo Whitmont
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Post Number: 45
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Posted on Monday, 05 July, 2021 - 17:06:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

So gents,

I managed to find an original Boa Horn from a '32 20/25. See below.

I'm 100% certain one was supplied with the car. However, for the life of me I cannot work out how where it would have been fitted in the cabin.

My problems are these:

1. There is no opening through the floor (or anywhere else) to get the bulb end into the cabin.

2. There are no old mounting holes on the firewall in the appropriate position for any previously fitted horn.

3. Nor is there any indication that a boa horn was ever mounted inside the cabin - I would expect a hole through the dash I presume? Although I don't know if the current timber dash is original.

4. I cant find any photos of the placement of such a horn in the cabin of any 20/25 on the net. There are plenty of photos of the engine bay but nothing showing the correct placement in the cabin.

Could it be that it was never fitted? Might I have chased the wrong rabbit down the wrong hole?

Any thoughts would be appreciated as always.

Many thanks.


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Theo Whitmont
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Post Number: 46
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Posted on Monday, 05 July, 2021 - 17:19:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP



Further to my post above, Here is a photo supplied from a different forum showing the correct position in the engine bay.

Not sure if this helps the discussion. Anyway, as stated above I'm stumped. Please feel free to put me out of my misery.
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Dorien Berteletti
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Posted on Monday, 05 July, 2021 - 22:14:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I can maybe? put you out of your misery.
My 20hp had the same arrangment with no way the tube would come through the firewall.
Perhaps it was fitted for "looks" and serves no other function LOL
Dorien
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Theo Whitmont
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Post Number: 47
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Posted on Tuesday, 06 July, 2021 - 17:42:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Thanks Dorien!

My misery persists

But I appreciate your effort!
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Mark Herbstreit
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Post Number: 223
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, 06 July, 2021 - 22:42:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Hi Theo, I thought a Boa would be old fashioned on a 20/25. Here is the arrangement on a 1926 Park Ward 20Hp.

Photo 1 shows bulb upper right of dash.

boa1

Photo 2 shows what i think is the tubing running down drivers side kick panel

boa2

Photo 3 shows what I think is the tubing exiting body just below and in front of RHS door. External Boa I think is visible through spare wheel spokes

boa3

Photo 4 shows Boa not in engine bay position of previous post. The electric horn for when you want to scare the horses is. Never say never, never say always.

boa4
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Mark Herbstreit
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Post Number: 224
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Posted on Tuesday, 06 July, 2021 - 23:08:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

This is a 1927 20 HP just showing (bottom left) external horn near RHS scuttle.

boa5
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Mark Herbstreit
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Post Number: 225
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Posted on Tuesday, 06 July, 2021 - 23:17:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Barker seem better at concealing the tubing than Park Ward. Apologies for the quality of the old photo

boa 6
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Theo Whitmont
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Post Number: 48
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Posted on Thursday, 08 July, 2021 - 14:34:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Thanks Mark,

Great info!
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David Gore
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Post Number: 3953
Registered: 04-2003
Posted on Friday, 09 July, 2021 - 10:57:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

UK Contributor Christopher Carnley has asked me to post the following on his behalf:

"Hi David,

Add this to Theo,s quest, please, the car was originally delivered to Melbourne Victoria and not Melbourne, Derbyshire.

The parp pipe goes under the bulkhead.

CC

Regards,

Chris.
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Theo Whitmont
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Post Number: 49
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Posted on Friday, 09 July, 2021 - 16:53:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Thanks Dave (and Chris).

The quest continues. ")

Happy lockdown - keep warm and safe gents!
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Mark Herbstreit
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Post Number: 226
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Posted on Sunday, 11 July, 2021 - 11:21:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

This early 20/25 from the latest 20/ghost News and Record

bulb
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Theo Whitmont
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Post Number: 50
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Posted on Monday, 12 July, 2021 - 15:51:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Thanks Mark. Great photo.

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