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ross kowalski
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Posted on Saturday, 11 April, 2020 - 00:59:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

For you viewing displeasure during the extended Covid 19 stay at home protocols.

I present, the worst example, of the worst model year, of the biggest failure in America motoring...

The 1959 Edsel

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ross kowalski
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Posted on Saturday, 11 April, 2020 - 01:01:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I've done a lot of old cars over the years but this is the bottom of the bottom.
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Benoit Leus
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Posted on Saturday, 11 April, 2020 - 01:17:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I like it, Ross.
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Larry Kavanagh
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Posted on Saturday, 11 April, 2020 - 01:52:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

me too Benoit.
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ross kowalski
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Posted on Saturday, 11 April, 2020 - 07:31:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I started it just to make sure the engine was good

It's always the same...

Check engine oil shows on dipstick
Check trans oil shows on dipstick
Clean the points
Run a 1gal fuel tank to the pump.
Turn the engine over by hand once
Disconnect the fuel line at the carb
Fill the carb through the vent
Pull the dizzy main ht lead
Check for spark
Crank motor until oil light goes out.
Put primary ht lead back on the dizzy
Fire motor until it starts
Run enough to purge fuel from the pump
Put the fuel line back on the carb.

If that all works, then you fill it with water and tranny oil and run it up to temp.
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ross kowalski
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Posted on Saturday, 11 April, 2020 - 07:35:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP





The water pump and thermostat housing we're pretty nasty. Luckily the block was clean.
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ross kowalski
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Posted on Saturday, 11 April, 2020 - 07:37:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Carb got built out of some spares.

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David Gore
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Posted on Saturday, 11 April, 2020 - 08:32:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Ross,

An all-time classic "ugly duckling" that will become very collectable with the passage of time and the number of "survivors" left are limited.

IMHO well worth the time and expense involved in a proper restoration provided you have somewhere to safely store it for the future.

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ross kowalski
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Posted on Saturday, 11 April, 2020 - 10:38:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

David,

This car has a long way to go before getting a proper restoration. First it will get some LONG overdue conservation.

I will be keeping things stock, with the exception of seat belts, dual circuit brakes and a sediment bowl fuel filter / water separator
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Omar M. Shams
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Posted on Saturday, 11 April, 2020 - 17:28:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I think this is a beautiful car. Well done for bringing her back to life Ross.
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ross kowalski
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Posted on Sunday, 12 April, 2020 - 09:58:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Omar,

It certainly is distinctive if not conventionally beautiful. I completely agree that the car should be saved and driven and enjoyed.

They did a pretty good job with the name... Here's the list they didn't choose

The Intelligent Whale
Mongoose Civique
Pluma Piluma
Anticipator
Regna Racer
The Silver Sword
Dearborn
Pastelogram
Magigravure
Utopian Turtletop
Turcotinga
Varsity Stroke
Fťe Rapide
Bullett Lavolta

A lot of good choices there.
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ross kowalski
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Posted on Sunday, 12 April, 2020 - 10:23:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Hippies sealing the hood orniments?

Hard to believe that was ever a thing.
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Brian Vogel
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Posted on Sunday, 12 April, 2020 - 13:28:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I really never quite understood what was so awful about the Edsel to so many. I've always kinda liked it, and once almost bought one.

I can still remember when I started kindergarten in 1967, all of us huddled at the bus stop, save one girl whose mother or father drove her to the stop and kept her in the car until the bus came. One of their cars was a brand new Oldsmobile and the other was an Edsel. The Edsel was much more intriguing. It was also in use for many years after that. Sadly, it was eventually parked in their back yard and allowed to rust to pieces over a period of about 20 years. For all I know it might very well still be (at least whatever is left of it) in that spot not far behind what was their house.

Brian
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Patrick Ryan
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Posted on Monday, 13 April, 2020 - 07:01:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I like it as well Ross.
Love the colour combo.
Any more pics of the interior or under bonnet?

I agree, some preservation is needed, but then could you just clear coat it and use it as is?

That seems to be the way lots of people do it these days.
I think it looks cool just the way it is.

I do like the front end very much.

Great story Brian,
Itís a shame people just got sick of cars and parked them up in front it back yards.
I could never understand why they do it.
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Brian Vogel
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Posted on Monday, 13 April, 2020 - 08:48:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Patrick,

I don't think it's a matter of "got sick of," per se. Most cars have finite service lives, and some of us, but not all, drive 'em till they drop.

Think about it. Even if that car had been a 1959 (and I think it was later than 1957 based on my memory of the larger "toilet seat" in the middle of the grill - which, by the way, I like better) by 1967 it was already 8 years old and I know it was driven for at least 5 years after that. Cars of that era making it 13 years as daily drivers was exceptional, particularly where I lived and before the days of rustproofing and/or the use of plastics where "the slop" from salted winter roads gets thrown. Until the 1970s, my father routinely sold his cars all at age 4 because he didn't want them around long enough to begin rusting through, and they would generally do that between the ages of 5 and 7 where I lived. His 1973 International Scout (which I hated - it had a huge yet underpowered V6 that guzzled gas) began rusting out practically as soon as we got it home from the dealer!

I think some of these ended up in back yards because the owners thought one of two things:

1. I love that car. Eventually I'll get around to getting it roadworthy again as a "pleasure vehicle."

2. This is going to be worth something, so I'll keep it around until I can sell it.

I have no idea of what Mr. Helsel's thinking was, though, and I have seen people just park all sorts of cars and never move them again. In his case, it took a specific space at the edge of the lawn where none of their daily drivers ever sat.

Brian
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Patrick Ryan
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Posted on Monday, 13 April, 2020 - 09:05:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

You are right Brian.

We are so lucky here to not have the salted road issues you guys and the UK have.

Some Aussie cars are now being shipped back to the UK or the USA as they can be pretty rust free.

And I completely understand what you are saying, plus like you, I do remember fondly walking past cars for years on my way to school.

I guess there are only 2 things that can happen just as you mentioned.

Leave car in yard for many years and it just rusts away, and is basically scrap.

Leave car in yard for many years, and it survives ok, and then all of a sudden it is worth a lot of money.

But then I have also seen that the car that becomes valuable, the owner still wonít sell.

(Do you guys remember my post from a couple of years ago that showed the 4 or 5 Shadows just rusting away in a local front yard)

Then more years pass and it becomes scrap as well.
Itís a bit of a balancing act isnít it.

We had International Scouts here as well
I loved them, but they were usually V8ís.
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ross kowalski
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Posted on Monday, 13 April, 2020 - 09:28:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Brian,

I've never really had any interest in owning an Edsel, but sometimes these things just show up. It certainly has character.

Patrick,

I put a new set of tires on it so now it is sitting level, pressure washed the entire car exterior and engine bay, and cleaned the valve gear.

I ran some kerosene and MMO in with the engine oil so I can't run it again until I drain that out.
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ross kowalski
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Posted on Monday, 13 April, 2020 - 09:34:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP



Here is a shot of the dash.

The shifter knob turned to powder and landed on the floor along with the radio knobs.
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Patrick Ryan
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Posted on Monday, 13 April, 2020 - 09:45:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

All in all, she looks pretty good inside.

It only took some basic work to get her going.
Good work mate.

I really like the green.
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ross kowalski
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Patrick R,

I must say, the color scheme screams 1959 the perfect color for the car.

It's been a pluvial wonderland this last few days so no Edsel work, but tomorrow afternoon it's supposed to be dry and sunny.

The list is not short, but I've had many worse.

In order it's something like this

0. Seat belts
1. Cooling system
1.5 oil change
1.6 fuel system
2. Service brakes
3. Parking brake
4. Wipers
4.5 lights
5. Door locks and window mechanism lube
6. Rust hole patches
6. DOT (MOT)

7. Chassis lube
8. Interior cleanup
9. Diff fluid
10. Proper battery mount
11. Metal body repair
12. Rain gutter reseal
13. Etc
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ross kowalski
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Posted on Wednesday, 15 April, 2020 - 09:39:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Oh, yeah.

I have to make up a "utopian turtletop" bumper sticker too
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Patrick Ryan
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Posted on Wednesday, 15 April, 2020 - 19:26:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Thatís not a bad list mate, nothing to horrible there.
An enjoyable job I think.

As I said, I like a green car (see Toyota Corona)
I have started another thread to show you another car I got at the same time as the Corona.
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ross kowalski
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Posted on Sunday, 19 April, 2020 - 10:07:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I changed the oil today. I didn't have to look up the filter because that was when Fords took a FL1A filter.

I polished up the chrome on the glove box to check it. I tried the old standby, carnuba wax and fine pumice. It should clean up fine.



I pulled the door latch mechanisms for a CLA heavy on the L.

The window crank handle Knobs are of a plastic that doesn't like getting old.

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Patrick Ryan
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Posted on Sunday, 19 April, 2020 - 10:19:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Mate,
She is looking very promising.
Looks like you have found a great car.
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ross kowalski
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Posted on Monday, 18 May, 2020 - 02:44:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I've made good progress but not much in the way of pictures as I have been commuting from Massachusetts to Wisconsin which is a pretty big time soak.

I've been driving it in and out of the garage with only the parking brake.

Almost everything has been purchased and here's the tally

20 USD Cunifer brake line
24 USD 67 mustang master cylinder
180 USD tires
4 USD Fan belt
3 USD Power steering belt
6 USD Wipers
37 USD front and rear brake hoses
12 USD upper radiator hose
14 USD lower radiator hose
58 USD water pump
19 USD valve cover gasket
275 USD registration

I wanted to put the car on the road for nothing but some things have to be purchased

I did find a free key fob in the gutter while out for a walk.

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Patrick Ryan
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Posted on Monday, 18 May, 2020 - 06:43:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Wow Ross.
That is a big drive!
Maps are showing 1142 miles (1827km) and 17.5 hours.

How many times have you done that of late?

Your tally of costings is quite amazing.
It just goes to show how cheap car parts are in the US compared to here in Oz.

Excluding tyres and rego, your total is $197.
Amazing.
$24 USD for a brake master cylinder?
That would be at least $170 AUD
Belts & wiper blades $13USD.
Those 3 items here would be over $60-$70AUD.
I paid $95AUD for 2 wiper blades for an S430 I bought a little while ago.

Love the key fob.
I am still trying to find one that is just right for the Holden, as the previous owner kept it as it was his dads, and he put his car keys on it.

Thanks for the update, Iíve been wondering how it has been coming along.
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ross kowalski
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Posted on Monday, 18 May, 2020 - 10:08:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Patrick R,

Google says this but if you try you can get them for $24, mine was a rebuild from RockAuto.

Kind of spoiled here with parts for old American iron and spoiled with old american iron as well.

1142 for that drive is incredibly accurate. I did the trip yesterday in 16. With the "Covobahn" that run can be completed in 14h12m or so I hear.

What was the Holden key fob? It is of the right vintage for one of those leather key purse things, or did those never pass the equator?
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ross kowalski
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Posted on Monday, 18 May, 2020 - 10:16:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Here's the current do list

0. Seat belts
1.6 fuel system
2. Service brakes
4. Wipers
6. Rust hole patches
6. DOT (MOT)

7. Chassis lube
8. Interior cleanup
9. Diff fluid
11. Metal body repair
12. Rain gutter reseal
13. anti sway bar bushings
14. power steering check
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Patrick Ryan
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Posted on Monday, 18 May, 2020 - 11:12:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Thatís a nice comprehensive list Ross, but all very manageable.

Thatís a nice couple of weekends work.
Yes I am constantly amazed at what I see on some TV shows that have been pulled out of barns, and the cost of new parts to get them running.

When I saw the Holden,
The keys were on a really nice folding leather key case, that had one press stud on it, and could hold about 6 keys.

It was embossed with the selling dealers name on one side, and the Holden logo on the other.

I was a bit disappointed it came with a credit union (bank) type new key ring
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ross kowalski
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Patrick R,

A period leather fob with the dealers name embossed on it is going to be hard to beat.

Now you have something better than that fob, ... a quest.

Good hunting.
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Patrick Ryan
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Posted on Tuesday, 19 May, 2020 - 11:38:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Sigh

Iíve looked at hundreds on line Ross, but havenít had the ďTHATS ITĒ moment.

I even saw a Kangaroo scrotum key case.

So Iím struggling mate
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Omar M. Shams
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car boot sales/ jumble sales. That is where you are likely to get them.
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Patrick Ryan
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Good point Omar.

Iíll have to see if we have any back up and running now our lockdown here in NSW is being wound back slowly.
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David Gore
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Patrick,

See if you can pick up a vintage Holden badge from Ebay or car swap meet and get a professional or hobbyist leather worker to make a case exactly as you prefer.

A few dollars will be involved but you should be able to pick and choose exactly what you would like.

The kangaroo scrotum items are a huge "must have" purchase for Japanese tourists - not so for the kangaroos!!
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Patrick Ryan
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Good idea David.

If ever the gang come down under for a visit, we could give them all key rings in a kangaroo scrotum.

Very Aussie!
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David Gore
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The kangaroos are already getting nervous as this proposal has gone out on the "bush telegraph"!!!
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Omar M. Shams
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I once knew someone who had a nice bush....
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Patrick Lockyer.
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Seems todays bushes on the later models have all gone!
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Patrick Ryan
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Omar,
I thought you were more in line with a perfectly aligned rear end?

However,
Being a bush specialist is pretty rare these days.
I hope you have a quality reeming tool for those bushes that inevitably are undersized?

However I know there is no one more qualified than you Omar to sort that rear end out!
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ross kowalski
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Omar and Patrick,

I looked up "Surviving in the Aussie bush" and found a page by bush expert Bob Cooper .

It had a bunch of suggestions ranging from ...

"Be sure to pack Condyís crystals (aka potassium permanganate), which can be used to treat a number of skin conditions including fungal infections, impetigo, superficial wounds, and tropical ulcers."

to

"Conserve your energy and try not to let fear cloud your head"

and

"Do not apply ice. It doesnít help and wastes time"

This leads me to my question, "what sort of country are you running down there?"
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Omar M. Shams
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Dear Patrick and Ross,
the bush and the rear end are both fantastic places to visit. Both have their attractions.....
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David Gore
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Omar,

Surely you mean the "Outback" and "Top End" [Northern Australia]??

The "Bush" and "Rear End" also have other connotations here!!
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Patrick Ryan
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Posted on Friday, 12 June, 2020 - 06:46:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Ross,

I hope that this lockdown hasnít hurt your efforts with getting the Edsel completed.

I finally found a nice key case for the Holden.




I wanted a case rather than a key ring, as the paint on the dash under the ignition switch can get damaged from a swinging key chain.
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ross kowalski
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Patrick R,

The key purse looks period. The keys are going to be a tricky, they are the keys that came with the car so they have character and patins on the other hand they are both ignition blanks, so the brass one should really be the door blank.

There is some Edsel progress which I will photograph and present with a new updated to do list. The universe it seems is not as intrested in Edsels as I am however and made other plans for the spring. C'est la vie, comme il disant.
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ross kowalski
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Here's the current to do list.

0. Seat belts
1.6 fuel system
4. Wipers
5. idler arm bushing
6. solder radiator leak
6. Rust hole patches
7. DOT (MOT)

7. Chassis lube
8. Interior cleanup
9. Diff fluid
11. Metal body repair
13. anti sway bar bushings
14. power steering check
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Patrick Ryan
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Hi mate.
That list is dwindling, still a few decent jobs.

Ross.
I found that key case in my sisters junk draw lol

The brass key is for the locking fuel cap which was an accessory fitted a few years after purchase so he told me.

This 4th model from Holden still only had 1 key that opened the doors and the ignition, but also did the glove box and boot (trunk)
The next model (FB which I just sold) had a seperate key for the glovebox, but the ignition key did the rest
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Patrick R,

One key, how contemporary.
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Patrick Ryan
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Posted on Saturday, 13 June, 2020 - 14:11:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Like all early Holdens (and me) very simple
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I was going to solder the radiator but upon cleaning the radiator to was clear the radiator was a lost cause.

I was telling the story to a friend who asked how big it was. I needed a 16" x 24" and my friend had one the was 17.5" x 24.5". It is a brand new AL side tank unit

I own a welder so that size is what we call an exact fit!

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Patrick R,

If you mail me the keychain, I can laser etch the holden logo on it like the one that got away.
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Patrick R,

My keychain is in quite a state but like it's owner has the sabi aesthetic in spades.

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The wiper works from the working side. Washer and rivet securing the two pieces.



The non working side.



The inside of the vacuum motor top.



The inside of the vacuum motor bottom.



I see rebuilding a vacuum wiper motor in my future.
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Patrick Ryan
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Yep,
That wiper mechanism has a few issues.

Ross is that scoring inside the top?
Or is it just corrosion or dirt?

Thanks Ross
I will need to send you the correct Holden logo for this year/model as they changed them quite a bit over the years.
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Patrick,

The scoring you see is in fact scoring. These vacuum motors are pretty indestructable but this one is going to need some help.

I'll PM you my address and when you figure out what should be on the key fob, just send it out.
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Time to isntall the radiator. First, weld on some brackets.



Left side needed some trimming



Right side needed some trimming as well too.



Edsel radiator repair kit.

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The new tally

20 USD Cunifer brake line
24 USD 67 mustang master cylinder
180 USD tires
4 USD Fan belt
3 USD Power steering belt
6 USD Wipers
37 USD front and rear brake hoses
12 USD upper radiator hose
14 USD lower radiator hose
58 USD water pump
19 USD valve cover gasket
275 USD registration
90 USD aluminum radiator
23 USD 1/4 Cunifer fuel line
14 USD new upper radiator hose
39 USD electric wiper motor
9 USD 5/16 trans cooler fittings
12 USD steel trans cooler line

Getting there

https://youtu.be/VmauNogMadA
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Omar M. Shams
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seems to be running like a dream Ross.
well done!!

Liked the Mini in the background too.
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Omar,

I always love inline 6 motors, buttery smooth. I just cleaned the points and cap when I started it, a set of new points and some plugs should make it run even better.

I wasn't sure about replacing the gas line, but after what came out of the old one, I felt better about the work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg_bduhIhxA
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I thought I'd post this pic for Graham in the main thread. Truly hard to beat an I6 for ease of access to the plugs.

The #2 plug next to the coil is the worst which means that you have to box end of the wrench/spanner and not the open end.

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Ross,

I use a spark plug socket which has a longer body than a standard socket with either a standard extension, a "wobble" extension or universal joint with the standard extension for "hard to access" plugs.

I never had a problem removing and replacing spark plugs on DRH14434 with these tools. I did use a length of rubber hose to hold and locate the B3 plug under the brake fluid reservoir when replacing this plug before using the universal joint to keep the plug socket properly aligned during installation.

https://www.repco.com.au/en/tools-equipment/hand-tools/-5-10-tools/gv-tools-spark-plug-socket-set-3pc/p/A9395580?_br_psugg_q=spark+plug+socket

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Omar M. Shams
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Dear David,
The link does not work.
Thanks
Omar
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Hi Omar,

The Repco website must be geographically restricted to Australia and New Zealand. Here is a picture of a complete 3/8in drive spark plug socket set [16mm, 19mm and 21mm plugs].

The cost is AUD10 - my set is an Australian-made Sidchrome Chromium Vanadium steel product; very expensive at the time and will last forever but unfortunately no longer available having been killed by the cheap Asian/Indian products.

Plug Socket Set

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Update,

I wrapped the steering wheel because the plastic was cracking. This is the free traditional solution to a steering wheel cover.



I brushed on some tinted clear coat to everything.

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Updated list


1. Seat belts
2. Buy wiper arms
3. Rust hole patches
4. Side mirrors
5. DOT (MOT)
6. Interior cleanup
7. anti sway bar bushings
8. Radio
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Wow Ross the jobs are all coming together looking good.

The steering wheel is something similar to my Jupiter that was October 1951 - on show at the Paris Salon in October 1951!

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Huge update Ross.
Love the clear oat.

Nice work mate.
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Patrick L,

Jupiter used thinner cord which I think looks nicer and would slide through the hands easier. They must have used a tobe of cord with that diameter. Even with the thick stuff I used it still consumed a surprising amount of cord.

Patrick R,

I've been one the road a lot recently so progress has been slower than I like
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I didn't,have the original knob for the shifter so carved a duplicate.
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Nice work Ross.

Are you sure the knob is an exact replica (zoom in people)
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I got this y-block 292 v-8 and BW R-11 overdrive recently. The edsel has a working driveline, but it was a price I couldn't refuse. And came with the column shift parts and clutch pedal as well.

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The bad news, I can't just use the BW overdrive with the 6 in the car as is.

The 233 6 had a different bolt pattern and flywheel from y-block v8. Frown emoji.
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And you're going to need another wire brush.

Alan D.
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G'day everyone,....


Have you seen the u-tube vids on how to repair cracked steering wheels?

Easy,...

I'm gonna do my Inter D1310's steering wheel.

Make it look like new again.


Graham.
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Video of the Edsel driving.

The sound on the video is worse than in person, but not much.
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Congratulations Ross,

The sound is OK in my opinion for a car that hasn't been driven for many years - having to use a choke for starting brings back memories of my driving in the early 1960's.

Is the Edsel a manual or the original Fordomatic 2-speed torque convertor transmission? I couldn't work this out from the video. I assumed from your earlier interior photos it was a "3 on the tree" manual.
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Great progress Ross, I think most of the strange noises are from creaking suspension shocks or bushes but it's hard to tell with a video recording. There is something appealing about that car.
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David,

Ford-o-matic two speed.

Larry,

There's some dry bushes to be sure.
They are intact so they stay for now.
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the creaking bushes add to the character.
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Omar M. Shams
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great video Ross
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Ross,

Now you are taking me down memory lane, my first car was my parent's 1962 Ford Falcon Fordomatic with the 2 speed transmission; much to my chagrin, my father replaced this car with a 1969 Ford Falcon 302CID V8 with the US Cruisomatic auto transmission however wheels are wheels prevailed.

I got one back when I started full-time work after graduating from university and traded it in on a new Falcon XY GSpack 351CID V8 4speed manual LSD and sports suspension. I kept this for 8 years and 290,000miles before having to take a Company 6cylinder Ford Cortina automatic which was a nose-heavy dog to drive. Talk about going from the sublime to the ridiculous then followed by a Company 4 cylinder manual Holden[GM] Commodore derived from a GM Opel from Germany. This was the really low point of my driving career......

My days of driving joy have since been restricted to a range of "practical" vehicles until my father-in-law's Corniche arrived and left 10 years after a marriage breakdown.

My current vehicles are a Mazda CX5 SUV diesel and a well-worn 1993 Toyota 4Runner manual diesel wagon I use as a work vehicle for my property maintenance; this vehicle is ideal for this purpose and is about to roll-over 600,000kilometres [375,000miles].

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Great video Ross.

I canít wait to see the addition of your custom roof rack, and custom cup holders.

Ross,
Thank you for your kind PM for me to send my old leather key case to you, however I will be putting the old Holden up for sale as soon as Iíve finished working on her.

Maybe the next old car key case I can take you up on your generous offer.
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I see nothing wrong with the Edsel that wasnít typical of American cars of the era. Itís a shame though that Edsel Ford is almost unknown by people yet this business flop is what comes to mind when his name is heard. He was a high-class fellow and accomplished car guy in his own right but died too young.
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The Edsel getting new plugs with is a 5 min operation.



The plugs were black when I got it, but I've driven it enough that it really shouldn't look like that. I put the carb together from parts so it's not exactly spec. On the plus side the plugs are dry.




The distributor cap had two of the terminals totally corroded. It ran surprisingly well considering.

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I found the car's official key fob in the trunk.



I found a pallet to disassemble to make roof rack slats.



I decided to just bolt the whole thing on as is.

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I like the key fob Ross, it adds to the story of the Edsel's resurrection. Plugs are black but not sooty, maybe just the air filter needs replacement.
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I just hope it wasn't left behind after a previous owner's last drive..................
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I love the roof-rack. That's got STYLE and CLASS.

Alan D.
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Alan,

I'm not sure where you are looking there.

Larry and David, I don't know much about complementary funeral key fobs but I would think it was someone known by the owner. Either way, it was in the car so that has to be the keychain. I'm not really a fan of that keychain, but rules are rules.
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You guys might have noticed that I have been building the Edsel out of whatever. It's kind of hte philosophy of this project.

The philosophy is basiclly wait around ask your friends and hope something shows up. I have been waiting on seat belts and finally got some in the form of a 1996 mercury sable.

The car is a disposable rental fleet kind of vehicle so I don't feel bad about taking it for it's seat belts.

Also,

It's nice to have a lateish model car around to act as a fastener store. Need a battery cable, fuse, relay, etc ... just grab it from the Sable.
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Ross the more I see the car the more I admire the
body design, it seems to grow on you.
love the rap around windscreen.

The V8 would be a mod with the manual box maybe?

First USA car I had was a Ford Sun-liner convertible from memory had a 6volt battery that would be almost flat is the roof was operated without the engine running.
Had many USA cars bought and sold over the years, most reliable with softish suspension.
Corvette L82 was most fun with high speed cornering.

Last USA gas car I owned was the Buick Le Sabre.
Now the USA Tesla is the one ahead of the field IMO.
BTW no servicing is required with the S only a brake fluid change maybe after 3 years.
However the brakes are hardly used with regen braking most of the time.
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The center trim for the steering wheel was missing so I 3D printed one at work.

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Ross - are you telling us you have access to a high quality 3D printer
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good job Ross
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Ross,

Do enough "foreign order" 3D printing and it will not be long before you will be able to buy one for yourself .

Interestingly, one of my other interests is model trains and I recently read about a US enthusiast who 3D-printed a model replica of a Union Pacific "Big Boy" 4-8-8-4 steam locomotive:

https://3dinsider.com/print-your-own-scale-model-4-8-8-4-big-boy-locomotive/

Also a lot of information in a post in the Facebook UP Steam Club Group:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/UPSteamClub/permalink/1791470277666944

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Geoff,

I do have access to high quality printers, but this was printed on a low quality one.
(.3mm layer)

Even the file I made was terrible. The resolution on the torus' used for the rings around the "E" was 30 segments or something.

I recently scanned the SOE which worked but was pretty low res. I think the problem was the reflective surface. I'll spray paint it before scanning it again.
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I had to pull the radio because it was a broken glass valve type unit. Where the buttons were is just a hole in the dash.

I could print up a prosthetic set of buttons to fill the hole. Hmmm ... Calipers will be coming out tomorrow.
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Geoff Wootton
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Ross

It looks great despite the low-res. I'm following 3D printer technology - could be great for us classic car people, particularly metal printers, once the prices drop.
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Ross - can you pick up a suitable old push button transistor rather than a valve/hybrid valve&transistor radio from a radio enthusiast or specialist supplier?

From memory, all-transistor push button radios appeared in the early 1960's and are occasionally advertised on Ebay, Etsy and elsewhere at high prices due to demand from restorers:

https://www.ebay.com/p/2123378410

Alternatively, there are a lot of classic radio repairers who can fix/upgrade your original radio and you will probably find one not far from you.
Just search for a club for old radio enthusiasts and there is almost certain to be a repairer or two in their membership.

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David,

That link looks exactly like what I took out but $225 is a bit strong.

Might have a go at fixing it myself when I have a chance.
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Ross,

Note it is a valve/transistor hybrid which is the worst combination possible as the valves require the radio to have a vibrator transformer needed to produce the AC voltage for the valves. These transformers are a constant source of problems over time. Also the early "push button" mechanisms can also create headaches due to inherent reliability problems in whatever mechanism was used.

I would be either looking for a full transistor radio or having the original "gutted" and fitted with a later all-transistor circuit board. Also the speakers will have cones in poor condition and these cones will require replacement to get acceptable sound.

Check for a local vintage radio group, they will be both a fantastic source of parts and assistance in organising repairs.
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David,

Ever see this
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David Gore
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Ross,

You have just revived my long-dormant wish for a train set that can be used by my grandchildren when they visit. My HO gauge conventional models are too valuable to let the grandkids loose with them.

Now to find out if this Lego system is still available for purchase........
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Patrick Ryan
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Thatís very weird but very cool at the same time Ross.
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Edsel on hold,

Being that there is a pandemic on we decided to buy a new house. Problem is the house isn't exactly new per se. Because of the age of the house there is more than the usual "moving in" routine.

The things to do list has things like...

- raise central support beam and install lally column,
- refinish all floors
- plumb and wire for washer and dryer
- put in septic system
- cut down trees near house
- install heat pump water heater
- etc.

Might be a while before getting back to the cars.

So cars have taken a back burner for a while.
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Patrick Ryan
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So that list should take a man of your talents up to lunch time Ross.

What do yo have planned for the afternoon.
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Omar M. Shams
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good luck with all of that Ross.
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Hope you are going to wait a couple of weeks - the arctic front is reaching us here in Oklahoma (23F today) so it must be really cold in MA.

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