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Robert Noel Reddington
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Username: bob_uk

Post Number: 1477
Registered: 5-2015
Posted on Thursday, 27 July, 2017 - 09:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

This is a tall order.

the Uk uses 45 giga watts of power 10 million cars will need an extra 40 giga watts or the circuit breakers pop and out go the lights.

At the moment there are 25 million cars plus 10 million trucks buses coaches and vans. They use more fossil fuels and hence they will need more watts. A big truck can be as much 6 mpg.

So the commercial side is going to use 3 times the amount of watts.

exact figures are difficult to work out but I recon that 250 giga watts is going to be needed.
Thats a lot of money investment in power stations and associated infrastructure.

The world has more fossil fuels available than ever before at about 50 bucks a barrel.

A forgotten thing in all this is traffic congestion, London is now undrivable and mates who still live in London are on mopeds and push bikes or foot. public transport is overcrowded.

I will be 88 in 2040 so most of this will be a passing interest while I dribble in a arm chair at home.

Its 12.30pm here in Dorset and as I write this can hear a car go past about once every 2 mins which is light traffic.
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Mark Luft
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Username: bentleyman1993

Post Number: 88
Registered: 10-2016
Posted on Friday, 28 July, 2017 - 01:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Robert, I'm sure by 2040 you yourself will be part of the electric movement.

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Robert Noel Reddington
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Username: bob_uk

Post Number: 1478
Registered: 5-2015
Posted on Friday, 28 July, 2017 - 02:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I already am, and have a 24v scooter with 4 wheels. 4mph.
I am sold on electric cars but I feel at present the technology and infrastructure isnt far enough advanced.

the original electric grid took about 10 years to build so the that bit is do able but we need lots of new power stations and the wedge.

The actual electric car is for people like me who dont go far and have a drive way and easy access to electrickery is fine, except the money side is still questionable.

I am in the process on getting a motor bike and checked out the electric option and unfortunately all two wheeled stuff in the UK is 30 mph max stuff at twice the price. I want easy 75 mph 60 mpg cruising so its down to a petrol 650cc bike. Which used is less than a 3rd of the money.
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Patrick Lockyer.
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Username: pat_lockyer

Post Number: 1440
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Friday, 28 July, 2017 - 05:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I use the electric Leaf for all the short trips.
The short trips are not good for the internal combustion engine, petrol or diesel.
The car is governed at 100mph but that sure uses the range up quick.

Put a solar array when I bought my first Leaf in 2011 with eco 7 for charging on rainy or clouded days.

Am having a Tesla power wall with more panels, this will give me off grid capabilities.
And get paid for the electric used on the original installation.

The C6 when tested for emissions is so clean it does not register.
This is the PSA 3.0L HDI engine.
I hope that the old cars are still able to get fuel for the young enthusiasts in the future.
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Robert Noel Reddington
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Username: bob_uk

Post Number: 1479
Registered: 5-2015
Posted on Friday, 28 July, 2017 - 06:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

petrol was a by product of oil refining, so I think petrol will round for a long time yet. diesel fuel will still be required as well.

There more to oil than just petrol or diesel.

I dont go far enough in general to worry about battery range and I foresee that places I do go to will have battery charging anyway and even 30 mins charging will help.

10 miles to the shops return stick it on charge while the cars being unloaded then after a couple of hours off to the New Forest


Those HDI engines from PSA are good engines.
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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1624
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Friday, 28 July, 2017 - 10:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Gents,

Here is Australia some of our road trains & heavy haulage vehicles can use .9L - 1.5L for every 1km travelled.
I don't know what that would be in L/110k or MPG.
But it is frightening.

Lets go back to the start of the last century.
Electric vehicles were ALL the rage. They were very popular & helped make Mr Hertz (rental truck fame) & Mr Exide (battery manufacturer) very rich indeed.

It was only the limited capacity, vehicle range & sheer size of the batteries at the time that made them fail. Come forward 120 years and here we have super small, high capacity long range batteries. A fantastic future for these vehicles indeed.

We already have hybrid units in trucks & buses where I work at Volvo, but full electric will be some way off due to the sheer loads & weights we carry in this modern age of a full on heavy vehicle.

Parcel delivery vans and smaller commercial vehicles are now all going full electric, as they are of much smaller carrying capacity.

I have driven one of these Detroit Electric Buggies and it was amazing.
I love that you sit in the back, control it with a tiller and that someone can sit in front of you!!!!





The below pic from pre WWI looks amazingly like what we see today.



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Robert Noel Reddington
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Username: bob_uk

Post Number: 1480
Registered: 5-2015
Posted on Friday, 28 July, 2017 - 11:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Full circle.

Looks like the infernal combustion engine is a mere 110 year diversion

The 2 photos show that very well as intended by Pat L
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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1627
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Saturday, 29 July, 2017 - 08:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Sure is full circle Robert.
I encourage anyone to go try a high performance full electric car.
100% torque almost immediately is amazing to behold.

It's amazing how far we have come in such a short time with battery tech.
Most is just in the last 10 years.
Battery chargers:
From this.


To this


Jump start batteries:
From this


To this


To this pocket size truck jump starter.


I still remember the first time I was demonstrated the pocket size battery for jump starting trucks.
I was totally sceptical of its operation.
It not only jump started it once, but twice.
This was a 15 litre Cummins Signature diesel.
I was stunned.
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Robert Noel Reddington
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Username: bob_uk

Post Number: 1482
Registered: 5-2015
Posted on Sunday, 30 July, 2017 - 12:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Pat R not Pat L ---- sorry.

I was also stunned by these little pocket sized jump starters. Plus it will run phones etc. Ideal camping accessory.
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Patrick Lockyer.
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Username: pat_lockyer

Post Number: 1443
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Sunday, 30 July, 2017 - 01:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I carry one in the Leaf as a standby for jump starting, if the 12V battery fails then the car is unable to power up the electrics. No go!
Flat bed then needed.
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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1629
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Sunday, 30 July, 2017 - 06:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

That's a great idea Robert.
My wife is after a battery back up for her phone, why not have one that can jump start a car as well.
Pretty amazing.
Even though I have actually seen these work, I am still stunned at what it did for a truck that runs 3 x N70Z in parallel to do the job.

Great idea Patrick L.
As you said, no power no go, it's not like you can clutch it!!

Here are some differences in battery packs and electric motors from pre WWI to now.
The Detroit electric battery array.

And the motor drive train




A modern Tesla integrated battery array and motor assembly.
1/4 of the weight, 20 times the power & torque.
Amazing how the whole floor is the batteries.
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Robert Noel Reddington
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Username: bob_uk

Post Number: 1484
Registered: 5-2015
Posted on Sunday, 30 July, 2017 - 07:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

My wife has a power stick in her bag. The mini jump start things are small enough for a motor bike as well.
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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1632
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Sunday, 30 July, 2017 - 12:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

We have just been shopping and bought one Robert.

Thanks for the idea.
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Robert Noel Reddington
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Username: bob_uk

Post Number: 1485
Registered: 5-2015
Posted on Sunday, 30 July, 2017 - 10:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Thank you for the compliment.

I have seen a 2 wheeled scooter where the floor boards are the battery with no actual frame. The motor and suspension etc are bolted to the battery.

Also on Ytube are battery light aeroplanes with a 1 hour range. The battery packs can be slid out and quickly replaced with charged ones--- not whilst in the air though. air training schools use them.
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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1634
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Monday, 31 July, 2017 - 07:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Its a whole new world Robert!
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keith pearson
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Username: dud_fivers

Post Number: 21
Registered: 11-2017
Posted on Saturday, 23 December, 2017 - 05:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I remember that by 2000 , we would all be wearing bacofoil suits-
have personal strap-on helicopters
aerial walkways
hovering cars
work only 3 hours a day
have free everything
Florida would be 1 meter under water (Ted Danson forecast that)
S England hotter than S Spain by 2010
Space cities on the Moon etc
a New Jerusalem
and so on.
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Robert Noel Reddington
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Username: bob_uk

Post Number: 1642
Registered: 5-2015
Posted on Saturday, 23 December, 2017 - 08:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I want rocket boots for Xmass
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Jonas TRACHSEL
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Username: jonas_trachsel

Post Number: 154
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Saturday, 23 December, 2017 - 06:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Keith writes: a New Jerusalem.
Yep, that's right, read your Bible. And it will be the undisputed, undivided capital of Israel for ever. I fear that once again the Bible will be proved to be spot-on.
Sorry, this has nothing to do with electric cars by 2040.
JoT}
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keith pearson
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Username: dud_fivers

Post Number: 22
Registered: 11-2017
Posted on Saturday, 23 December, 2017 - 10:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I left out pie in the sky and Jam Tomorrow
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keith pearson
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Username: dud_fivers

Post Number: 23
Registered: 11-2017
Posted on Saturday, 23 December, 2017 - 11:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I really would love to have a Detroit or Baker Electric. They are an incredible car . I like the looks . If I could afford one and the space to garage it I'd get one. Also, possible to just go ahead and build a new one from scratch with modern electrics..
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Robert Noel Reddington
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Username: bob_uk

Post Number: 1644
Registered: 5-2015
Posted on Sunday, 24 December, 2017 - 02:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

and a flying pig.

Jay Leno has a old electric car with tiller steering which drives fine
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ross kowalski
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Username: cdfpw

Post Number: 676
Registered: 11-2015
Posted on Sunday, 24 December, 2017 - 11:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Batteries are better than previous batteries, but it will be a while.

My pick for a carbon neutral eco fuel is biodiesel.
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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1797
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Monday, 25 December, 2017 - 11:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

I like the new Tesla Model X gents.



https://youtu.be/3iWWkVWUxis

Donít know how you would go parking in an underground shopping carpark???

Or like in the pic below,
You forget the doors are open AND you ignore all the visual and audio warnings,,

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Robert Noel Reddington
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Username: bob_uk

Post Number: 1646
Registered: 5-2015
Posted on Monday, 25 December, 2017 - 11:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Stupid doors. apart from accidents they are bound to give trouble.
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Patrick Ryan
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Username: patrick_r

Post Number: 1798
Registered: 4-2016
Posted on Tuesday, 26 December, 2017 - 07:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Agreed Robert.
Gimmicks in the automotive world like this donít usually last very long before being replaced or modified if the attached car proves to be a hit.

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