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     Patrick Ryan Grand Master Username: patrick_r Post Number: 670 Registered: 4-2016 |
This seems like a nice 61 Cloud II Wonder why no interior shots. Estimate seems way cheap. https://www.shannons.com.au/auctions/2016-shannons-melbourne-summer-classic-auction/D095R2CCDT060B2V/  | |||
| Robert Noel Reddington Grand Master Username: bob_uk Post Number: 1193 Registered: 5-2015 |
The auction sometimes give low estimates to attract the punters. It will make what it makes under the hammer. The colour is nice, Garnet I believe The misaligned bumpers need sorting and the words removed from the sides.  | |||
| michael vass Prolific User Username: mikebentleyturbo2 Post Number: 237 Registered: 7-2015 |
Hi All For £12000 I'll buy it and ship it back! Looks stunning Hope somebody finds out what it goes for Mike | |||
| Christian S. Hansen Grand Master Username: enquiring_mind Post Number: 420 Registered: 4-2015 |
Something fishy here. The combination of the very low price and the absence of any engine or interior photos makes one wonder what "the rest of the story" is!! BEAUTIFUL COLOR, yes, but..... | |||
| gary webb New User Username: webbgw Post Number: 3 Registered: 6-2014 |
hi guys i am having trouble understanding the negativity for hong kong cars yes a lot are not driven by owners but there is a law in that country cars cannot idle for no longer than 3 minutes ,fines are very high but now cars can be doubled rego HK AND CHINA so now later cars have higher ks gary | |||
| michael vass Prolific User Username: mikebentleyturbo2 Post Number: 238 Registered: 7-2015 |
Hi Gary You've lost me ,this car is in Aus? Mike | |||
| gary webb New User Username: webbgw Post Number: 4 Registered: 6-2014 |
hi mike no i understand that this car is in aus but a lot of other cars from hong kong are getting a bad rap gary | |||
| gary webb New User Username: webbgw Post Number: 5 Registered: 6-2014 |
the part i also cant understand more cars on road in aus is great for the marks and also more people can enjoy these cars too gary | |||
| Alan Ford Frequent User Username: herne13 Post Number: 81 Registered: 8-2016 |
I would love to own one of those. Same colour too or dual colour scheme. I dont think I would get enough for the Bentley though.. It's nice to dream..... | |||
| David Gore Moderator Username: david_gore Post Number: 2305 Registered: 4-2003 |
Gary, The problems with Hong Kong delivered vehicles are easily understood if you have ever visited HK. The majority of HK prestige cars prior to the departure of the British when their lease expired were chauffeur-driven rather than owner-driven. Consequently, when the owners were attending a function, the drivers would wait in the car with the air-con on and the engine running for hours at a time. Consequently the cars had low mileage but very high engine wear. The second problem was the hot, humid and wet HK climate together with the proximity to the South China Sea meant salt air corrosion was ever-present and cheap R-R cars subsequently imported into Australia quickly gained a reputation for being "rust buckets"; often more so than UK-delivered cars subsequently purchased in the UK and imported into Australia by their new owners. Thirdly, given the wealth of the owners of prestige cars in HK, paying any fine would be highly unlikely to change the behaviour of their drivers especially if the vehicles could be parked off-street whilst waiting and were not accessible to the law enforcement authorities. Whilst I was the Technical Officer for the RROCA NSW Branch, I had the unhappy task of advising several new owners of cheap Shadows imported from HK by opportunistic resellers that their cars were "rust bucket money pits" that, in many cases, were only suitable for wrecking for spare parts. | |||
| gary webb New User Username: webbgw Post Number: 6 Registered: 6-2014 |
hi david yes i have been to hong kong many times i am and have bought rr and bentleys in up to 1988 and after that i break them up for parts so far rust and mechanical problems are not a problem so i have cars 1980 to 2004 which i am breaking i only keep cars pre 88 complete if they are top condition yes i have been with these cars since i was 16 i am now 66 i am qualified A grade mechanic and also qualified auto teacher with diplomia in mechanical engineering at tafe so again these cars are getting a bad rap biggest problem i get is fuel pumps from under cover storage.. david the biggest rust buckets are cars taken to HK from UK not new and are terrible so rego tells me were originally first rego and i avoid UK cars unless for breaking up would like to get to know you better ps shadows a lot of ex UK to HK gary again ps i just sold 2 heads from 1996 bentley and the internal of engine was like new | |||
| gary webb New User Username: webbgw Post Number: 7 Registered: 6-2014 |
hi david please look at my facebook gary webb and look at my qualifications and my car site british prestige cars parts again on facebook regards gary | |||
| Patrick Ryan Grand Master Username: patrick_r Post Number: 678 Registered: 4-2016 |
Gents I will keep us updated on this car. The actual auction has a pretty good roll up this month, a few cars in it I would like. | |||
| Patrick Ryan Grand Master Username: patrick_r Post Number: 679 Registered: 4-2016 |
Love Roberts humour. Yes Robert Those letters look pretty tough to remove. I guess a guy named Shannon used to own this  | |||
| Patrick Ryan Grand Master Username: patrick_r Post Number: 681 Registered: 4-2016 |
Gents, Here is a link to the full auction. Some interesting lots that's for sure. https://www.shannons.com.au/auctions/2016-shannons-melbourne-summer-classic-auction/ In regards to the Silver Cloud II. Here is the report from the auction house. I have also emailed asking for interior & under bonnet shots.
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| Patrick Ryan Grand Master Username: patrick_r Post Number: 733 Registered: 4-2016 |
Gents, There are more images now loaded on the Shannons site re the Cloud II Looks very nice indeed. https://www.shannons.com.au/auctions/2016-shannons-melbourne-summer-classic-auction/D095R2CCDT060B2V/       Updated description as well. https://www.shannons.com.au/auctions/2016-shannons-melbourne-summer-classic-auction/D095R2CCDT060B2V/ | |||
| Patrick Ryan Grand Master Username: patrick_r Post Number: 744 Registered: 4-2016 |
Gents, Shannons Auction is all done. https://www.shannons.com.au/auctions/2016-shannons-melbourne-summer-classic-auction/ The SCII went for $39,500. A real bargain I think.  | |||
| Christian S. Hansen Grand Master Username: enquiring_mind Post Number: 445 Registered: 4-2015 |
What was the buyer's premium? When added in, yes, still a reasonable price, it seems...depending...on things like quality of the paint and/or presence of undisclosed defects...it was an auction after all and thus limited ability to inspect and even more limited incentive to disclose. Just the same, had I been in Australia, I would have bid. | |||
| Patrick Ryan Grand Master Username: patrick_r Post Number: 745 Registered: 4-2016 |
Hi Christian, Yes, if I was after a Cloud, I would have bid on this as well. I've been to a number of Shannons auctions, and they are crammed in next to each other with military precision. The last one I went to inspect cars with a mate, there was not 20mm between the cars, some were less. You could not even see the sides of the cars in any way. The ones that were against the walls, well all you could see was their nose, forget looking inside at all. | |||
| David Gore Moderator Username: david_gore Post Number: 2344 Registered: 4-2003 |
Patrick, Obviously there is method in their "madness"...... I well remember my time in the late 1980's as NSW State Manager for a major parking station company and our practice for maximising the number of cars that could be "stack parked" in valet parking facilities. Car "shuffling" to get cars buried in the stack was an ever-present problem due to vehicle damage by the car park staff. A good car park "jockey" was hard to find and difficult to keep as other parking companies would poach your best staff for this reason. I would not be surprised if Shannons used known good car park employees on a casual after-work basis for setting up their auction displays. | |||
| Patrick Ryan Grand Master Username: patrick_r Post Number: 746 Registered: 4-2016 |
I just wish I had taken a photo of the gaps David, quite amazing. | |||
| Patrick Ryan Grand Master Username: patrick_r Post Number: 748 Registered: 4-2016 |
Update to costs. My workmate has just bought this at the same auction that had the SCII. https://www.shannons.com.au/auctions/2016-shannons-melbourne-summer-classic-auction/E61B19Q8XO023EFL/ The buyers premium is a flat $500. The seller however cops: $1500 listing fee (may cover multiple auctions) Plus an 11% of the sale price fee. Good for the buyer, not so good for the seller. Thus the SCII cost the buyer $40k Seller took home $33,655.00 | |||
| Robert Noel Reddington Grand Master Username: bob_uk Post Number: 1217 Registered: 5-2015 |
$40k sounds about right. The 12k catalogue price was a come on boys get yer wallets out commonn auction practice. |
