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     John Dare Unregistered guest Posted From: 144.138.194.139 |
I am reliably advised that a club member, possibly resident of W.Australia, has a view in relation to the administration of this web site. Would that party please contact me privately via e-mail at john.dares@bigpond.com.au Thank You. | ||
| David Gore Moderator Username: david_gore Post Number: 237 Registered: 4-2003 |
John, If you have any concerns about the moderation/administration of our Club website; I suggest the issues should be raised publically here so all can contribute their opinions on the merits or otherwise of these concerns. If we are to ensure the site meets the needs of members and users; we need to be aware of any problems/suggestions for improvement so they can be given appropriate attention. Accordingly, I request anyone who has concerns/suggestions to post them in this thread - I will always respect your right to speak freely provided no defamatory or discriminatory comments are made about others and reasoned differences of opinion will enhance the standing of the contributor in my eyes. | ||
| William H. Trovinger II Prolific User Username: bill_trovinger Post Number: 95 Registered: 8-2003 |
David; I have to complement you, Jeanne and all who are involved in the operation and maintenance of this site. I find that it is always functioning, posts are not delayed waiting for review, search engine works and technical areas are open to the public allowing more involvement. Thank you RROC-AU for providing this site! Regards, Bill | ||
| John Dare Unregistered guest Posted From: 144.138.194.249 |
Dear William, I do not know if you know, or are able to verify (via other "R-R/B" U.S club members/owners) the identity and location of the person who is/was, said to be in the care of a facility in the U.S.A, being an individual who was allegedly "disciplined" by a person (name/I.D unknown) purporting/believed to be a representative of the R-R Owners Club of Australia, Web Site Administration. The person who is said to have been disciplined is/was, alleged to be, QUOTE, "in the care of a psychiatric institution in the U.S.A", UNQUOTE. I am in search of local and overseas information to assist identification/location of that person so that I may establish precisely what said person (presumably a U.S citizen) did to attract a "discipline" (of any kind) from this country and further, if the attendant circumstances reasonably justified a so called "discipline". As you may be aware, I have recently sought details in this regard on your own R-R (U.S) web site. Information, some of which I am unable to publish, is being received at this time. | ||
| David Gore Moderator Username: david_gore Post Number: 238 Registered: 4-2003 |
Some time ago the RROC[Australia], RROC[USA] and Swammelstein Forums experienced on-going problems with nuisance posts [irrelevant and factually incorrect together with falsely using names of regular contributors including myself] originating from a common IP address which was found to be associated with an institution in a particular US State. Contact with the Computer Administrator of this site identified the person responsible for these posts - this person had a particular obsession with Rolls-Royce and was not able to act appropriately and responsibly despite being computer literate. The Administrator reviewed the content of the posts at the request of [at least]the RROC[Aust] and RROC[USA] and agreed they were unacceptable and inappropriate. [This is common practice when nuisance/irrelevant/false posts are involved as the origin of the posts can be traced through the internet.] The inmate's use of his computer was then controlled by his Administrator to remove his ability to access R-R websites and the problem has not re-occurred. Moderators and Administrators face a common problem when posts are received which are inarticulate, rambling or largely irrelevant. We have to assess whether the content results from the person's inability to express themselves or whether it is a nuisance post which should be deleted - sometimes the post is edited to make it comprehensible to other users. We have the ability to block originating service providers for nuisance posts however this will also affect genuine users who also use these providors - it is better for the service providor to control their users individually and this is what happened in this instance. I might draw attention to the fact that all forums such as this have defined standards and users who do not conform to these standards are requested to conform otherwise their access privileges can be withdrawn. Our standards are monitored by the Federal Executive of our Club and, so far, they have not found it necessary to over-rule/amend the standards applied by the Moderators/Administrator. In the particular case detailed above; I am in complete agreement with the action taken by all concerned to resolve the problem - any attempt such as the above post to use this action to personally criticise/denigrate the RROC[A] member involved is inappropriate and not in accordance with the facts. | ||
| William H. Trovinger II Prolific User Username: bill_trovinger Post Number: 96 Registered: 8-2003 |
John; I have seen your post on the RROC-US website. I was not planning on posting any comments either here or there regarding same. However, as you have directly asked me regarding this issue, I would not want to be considered rude by not commenting. So, I have to say I was a little taken back by it. The tenor seemed a little “hostile” (if I may use that word) to the RROC-AU. I guess if you had made the post on this site the tone may have not seemed so. But, placing the comments on another clubs site did (at least in my opinion) add a negative tone to it. Now, please do NOT take this comment as an attack on you but rather as the constructive observation it is meant as. On the question of this mystery Yank, I would have no more chance of learning his location then yours. You seem not to post as a “registered” participant on this site so your email and the like is not available either. I can understand your wish not to expose your address to people and their worms that are running all over the net and collecting emails address to Spam the (you know what) out of us all. I tend not to use my email at many sites however; this is one where I feel it is well worth any minor inconvenience. Now on the possibility of this “Yank” being in a facility for the mentally challenged. All I can say is “I hope my Tax Dollars are not paying for his ISP”. If this is in fact the case then I would love to be able to get my Mother’s opinion on whether Internet access is proper therapy, she was an Adolescent Psychiatrist for 48 years until her passing in ‘99. But that would be a discussion better left to a Psychology chat room. I believe John, that we, as a society in general (no specific country) have forgotten that Freedom of Speech does come with some responsibilities and limitations. Unless we adhere to these responsibilities and limits society could become a very hostile environment for all. I guess my question back to you is, rather then exerting all this effort posting your inquires why not just ask the person who told you about the American in question? Happy Easter & Best Regards, Bill | ||
| John Dare Unregistered guest Posted From: 144.138.194.57 |
Dear Bill, I agree absolutely that freedom of speech demands responsibilities and limitations. Ergo,in relation to the former, an author or orator should identify themselves by indicating his/her name unless they are employed by the C.I.A or MI5/6 etc., in which case security considerations would of course, overide normal practice, and common courtesy. In the case before me, I can report that I received unsolicited e-mail from the RROC(A) web site administration which was NOT signed by the actual sender, hence, being unaware of their identity I was, and remain, unable to ask ANY question/s of that person, including the identity of the person (presumably a U.S citizen) who, despite the sad burden of being mentally impaired, is said to have also been "disciplined", (as was I) by the RROC(A) administration. I was disappointed that you found my inquisitorial post/s on the U.S web site to be hostile in tenor. If that is your view I would be interested in your unbiased summation regarding the tenor of the e-mail which I received from the local RROC(A) web administration, however I do not expect that you would seek to be involved, given your stated reluctance to respond, to my initial posts on your own U.S web site. In conclusion, please note that I HAVE published my e-mail details on this (AUS.) site, and as you know, the excellent U.S site has the facility whereby members may routinely exchange "private" messages in relation to forum based issues and/or subjects. Therefore, contrary to any perceptions, I have not, nor do I so intend, to mask myself via the anonymity of a keyboard. | ||
| William H. Trovinger II Prolific User Username: bill_trovinger Post Number: 97 Registered: 8-2003 |
John; In all seriousness why would you even care to find out about this person in the States? I would assume if they where not a “trouble maker” on web sites and where removed from posting on this site they would have posted some sort of response or comment on the US site. As they appear not to have done same, we can only conclude either they really do have some problems and their ISP has cut them off the net. Or if this is not the case then it can be assumed that they just do not care. In the period from ’96 to ’00 I was a semi-silent partner in a tech company that did provide ISP services among other things, we where having to block people all the time from continual problems. Granted the largest reason or offense was pornographic matters but there where many how can a say it nicely “pains in the …” (you do know what I mean), who also had to be blocked. As a company or organization you set down policies for your employees, customers and/or members, contributors. If your policies are violated then you must respond or face the loss of the people who do follow the rules. So why is it worth so much of your effort? Is not your time better spent working on your car and/ or helping others with theirs? Or is it possible that you would like to talk with this person about developing some sort of therapy program involving the repair and maintenance work on RR’s? Here in Wisconsin, for many decades there is a facility for Boys that takes old donated autos and repairs and rebuilds them. This helps the young men learn a skill and at the same time the resale of the cars provides funds for the facility. However, this place deals with “troubled” youths (legal offenders) not the mentally challenged. This program has work wonders for a lot of young men and does it all without government funding, I have myself donated more than a few cars over the years. But, I do not see this type of program working with the mentally challenged. Here I go again, we are getting on a subject better left for a Psychology chat board. Best regards, Bill | ||
| John Dare Unregistered guest Posted From: 144.138.194.37 |
Thank you Bill. Following the rather extraordinary "discipline" which I received from our web site administration, it was my curiosity which led me in search of the other U.S based party who had also allegedly received a so-called "discipline", since I sought to establish if the tenor was similar, and of course to establish the nature of the offence deemed to have been committed. Furthermore, one needs to be careful when "disciplining" a person who is mentally impaired, since there is not only the moral dimension to consider, but also the legal implications, lest an "injured" party bring a action before the courts on the grounds of discrimination/harassment etc. As you are no doubt aware, most western countries have enacted legislation to protect the less fortunate among us, and as a club member I do not wish to be exposed to any degree of joint liability, however remote the prospect may appear to be. That issue aside, I remain highly amused by the general concept of a citizen of this country of 20 million souls (R-R owner or not!) issueing a "discipline" (of ANY kind) to a U.S citizen. Rather like a New Zealander telling us "what to do/not to do" etc. As J.McEnroe might exclaim..."you CANT be SERIOUS!" |
