| Author | Message | ||
     Vladimir Ivanovich Kirillov Grand Master Username: soviet Post Number: 535 Registered: 2-2013 |
I am looking at doing the crazy and buying a Spur as my Camargue is lonely . The car is on eBay Australia. Why is the wood black. Can either Patrick or David drop by in Marrackville an eye ball this car before I send in my paid scruitinisers in exchange for a bottle of Dom P ? Omar is pressuring me to run wild with Toad Hall cash again. In need to move fast on this before the Witch of New Hampshire arrives with Matrimonial thought an cuts savagely into my essential purchasing capers. | ||
| Vladimir Ivanovich Kirillov Grand Master Username: soviet Post Number: 536 Registered: 2-2013 |
Did RR every provide totally black interior wood??? | ||
| Brian Vogel Grand Master Username: guyslp Post Number: 1977 Registered: 6-2009 |
Vladimir, Since these cars could have virtually any bespoke feature a client wanted that met Crewe's taste requirements (which became looser over the decades), and black wood is definitely subdued and is currently offered for the Ghost:  Black stained ash burl is also available, but on the next part of that list. I'd be willing to bet that it's been supplied during the SZ period, too. Brian | ||
| Christian S. Hansen Prolific User Username: enquiring_mind Post Number: 280 Registered: 4-2015 |
Vladimir... I like your reference to "essential purchasing capers". When I embarqued on using RR instead of bookshelves to display my "badges and related objects" collection, I rapidly ran out of garage space and had to stop purchasing badges and related objects! LOL. | ||
| Vladimir Ivanovich Kirillov Grand Master Username: soviet Post Number: 537 Registered: 2-2013 |
Thank you Brian - you are an infinite source of detailed RR information to such an extent that if you come to Omar's London meet I have interrogate you intensely as we make our way to Hunt House to terrorise the help. Even though my Camargue still hisses your name after so many revisionist counter revolutionary anti Camargue pronouncements I would much appreciate you watching the video and viewing the photos of this car at www.oldtimer.com.au and telling me what you think. Something tells me this car is special and I especially love like the fact it does not have a rust inviting vinyl roof. Christian name one badge in your collection that is not essential - perhaps next time I come to LA we can Rugby tackle Leno feed him pizza and find out what he knows. | ||
| Vladimir Ivanovich Kirillov Grand Master Username: soviet Post Number: 538 Registered: 2-2013 |
Thank you Brian - you are an infinite source of detailed RR information to such an extent that if you come to Omar's London meet I have interrogate you intensely as we make our way to Hunt House to terrorise the help. Even though my Camargue still hisses your name after so many revisionist counter revolutionary anti Camargue pronouncements I would much appreciate you watching the video and viewing the photos of this car at www.oldtimer.com.au and telling me what you think. Something tells me this car is special and I especially love like the fact it does not have a rust inviting vinyl roof. Christian name one badge in your collection that is not essential - perhaps next time I come to LA we can Rugby tackle Leno feed him pizza and find out what he knows. | ||
| Vladimir Ivanovich Kirillov Grand Master Username: soviet Post Number: 539 Registered: 2-2013 |
Addendum Brian the site is www.old.com.au sorry my memory is damaged from working out hideous diagnosis on Daewoo late model computerized junk buses -there is only so much the soviet mind can bear!!! | ||
| Christian S. Hansen Prolific User Username: enquiring_mind Post Number: 283 Registered: 4-2015 |
Viadimir... Non-essential?? I do not think it's in my vocabulary. I only buy "essential" stuff, don't you know! Wow...what a Spur. Wasn't there a song back in the 70s or 80s that went along the lines of..."Black is black. I want my baby back..." Once you click the link, go to cars for sale and search at bottom of page for Rolls Royce. I likes it! | ||
| David Gore Moderator Username: david_gore Post Number: 2088 Registered: 4-2003 |
Hi Vladimir, No chance of getting to Marrickville this week but can do early next week. I have seen a black Spur being used by a funeral director in the St George/ Sutherland area some years ago but not recently. The low mileage and the same level of wear on the front and rear seats makes me think this might be the funeral vehicle I saw. Will let you know after I have a look at the car. | ||
| Omar M. Shams Grand Master Username: omar Post Number: 705 Registered: 4-2009 |
Dear Vladimir, lovely car - however the red mats will have to go. The car is so elegant in black, yet these garish carpets ruin the overall look. The piano black wood is all a matter of taste. Looks to me like it was a special order and someone paid over the odds to have that ebony wood in place of the walnut. If you like it and the mileage is genuine, then it looks like it may be a really good car. How will these hubcaps fair on your off-road driving? Of all the RR/B hubcaps, these ones on this car have the higher tendency to fall off on bumpy roads. The best part of this car is the black leather interior that you know will smell amazing. I have always maintained that the black leather interior cars smell different to the other colour interiors. Get in there quick before the minister of war comes home and clamps the wallet mate..... You only live once - spend spend spend.... Dear Brian, You really need to join us in 2017 in London.... think how wild the pub evenings could get..... | ||
| Brian Vogel Grand Master Username: guyslp Post Number: 1980 Registered: 6-2009 |
Vladimir, It is a lovely, and certainly interesting, example. That being said, based on other photos of your environs I have to presume where you live is quite dusty and can get quite hot. The former makes a black exterior an absolute nightmare - it will never appear to be clean except for the first few minutes after a good wash and polish - and the latter is a nightmare as far as heat soak in sunlight goes. Having had a black car, with a black interior, and a green car, but with a black interior, I swore that I would never have either again for the reasons I mention. I just wanted to be sure these considerations were, well, considered. They're things that "the uninitiated" would have no reason to think about, even though they would if they did know about them. Brian | ||
| Brian Vogel Grand Master Username: guyslp Post Number: 1982 Registered: 6-2009 |
Vladimir, Also, the dealer has the wrong model year listed for this car. Based on the VIN, which appears to be correct, it is a 1989 model year. I also just got off the phone with Bentley US and they're supposed to be sending me a basic specification sheet on the car and confirmed it is a 1989. It was a special edition of sorts built for England, Scotland, and Wales according to the rep. PM me with your e-mail address and I'll be happy to send it along. Based on what she told me is in the spec sheet I very strongly suspect that the piano black wood was bespoke from Crewe. Every other noted item in the car is noted as "black" so it would be completely logical that the wood was, too. The only way to know this definitively is either to buy the full build sheets from the RREC or to contact them just asking if they could look in the build sheet to see if a bespoke wood option was specified. When I was running down the history of SRH33576 it was Barbara Westlake who was the person handling this and she was very helpful to me in digging up a few details on the car. Brian | ||
| Nick Adlam Experienced User Username: crewes_control Post Number: 40 Registered: 12-2015 |
Evening Gents Apologies for my rather daring observation but I believe those wood panels are merely painted black- either by the dealer (very likely) or previous owner (less likely), possibly as a cheap way to hide blemishes and "bling" up the black theme. You can see "orange peel" tell-tales in some of the photos, def not true RR quality. Just my 2c | ||
| Vladimir Ivanovich Kirillov Grand Master Username: soviet Post Number: 540 Registered: 2-2013 |
Yes Nick you may indeed be right but what a huge job that would be to remove all the wood from the entire car from the picnic tables to the door caps and dash unless you could do the lot in place with a paint brush ! A question I ask is precisely what is Piano as listed in Brian's contribution above? Is it a veneer or merely paint as the backing was not wood but aluminium on Spurs. Its a mysterious car and if I buy it a full Darth Vader suit together with D.Vader personal plates may be required before I present it at a RR meet. One good point is that the car does not have a rust producing vinyl roof. I have talked to a Rolls Royce Specialist in Sydney who serviced the car a week ago and they say it is a good car but that they never inspected the interior or the paint but merely serviced it for the dealer and provided a list of suggested repairs. Hopefully the Moderator will be able to look at the car for me next week and will report back any scalliwag behaviour. | ||
| Brian Vogel Grand Master Username: guyslp Post Number: 1987 Registered: 6-2009 |
Vladimir, Piano black, in general, is polished black lacquer over some sort of (usually non-veneered) wood base. There would certainly be no reason to do piano black over, say, burled walnut as it defeats the purpose of both. The term arises precisely because it's a direct emulation of the black lacquer surface applied to the vast majority of grand pianos produced over the last 100 years or so. It's not that you can't get pianos in something other than piano black, but they're by far the most common once you get beyond spinets and uprights. It's a bit easier to see what RR currently calls piano black if you go to the this webpage at RR Motorcars then choose a model (I'd used Ghost), hit the little menu tab at the bottom right, choose "Interior Style" then choose "Veneer." I just did the same, using "Phantom" instead, and in this case the Piano Black, Bolivar Black, and Black Stained Ash come up side by side on the first part of the veneer image strip. It's quite clear that piano is opaque black lacquer, Bolivar is a semi-transparent but nearly opaque stain of some kind, while "Black Stained" is an entirely transparent black stain. Brian | ||
| gordon le feuvre Prolific User Username: triumph Post Number: 129 Registered: 7-2012 |
HAVE 1988 BENTLEY 8 IN VERMILLION WITH MUSHROOM(GREY) LEATHER AND BLACK FACIA/DOOR CAPPINGS. THIS IS A ONE OWNER, 11000 MILE CAR AND IS AS CAME FROM FACTORY HAVING BEEN BUILT TO ORIGIANL OWNERS WISHES. THE FACIA/CAPPING ARE ORIGINAL. THEY LOOK TO BE SPRAYED BLACK, THEN FINISHED IN POLYESTER AS USUAL. HAVE KNOWN THIS CAR FROM NEW AS RAN LOCAL DEALERSHIP. THE PURCHASER PAYS THE MONEY AND ORDERS WHAT HE(SHE) WANTS! | ||
| Robert Noel Reddington Grand Master Username: bob_uk Post Number: 1020 Registered: 5-2015 |
Piano black is black lacquer over wood with no veneer. Check out Steinway pianos. I once resprayed a bit of a Steinway and I used Taxi black with a lot of clear coat in it. It looked OK . But I felt that the original had a hint of brown in it. The piano was for a concert had just had to look the part. It's under coloured stage lighting as well. | ||
| gordon le feuvre Prolific User Username: triumph Post Number: 132 Registered: 7-2012 |
According to owner of Bentley mentioned above, spec was ebony wood lacquered, which was offered as a VERY expensive option, which is on this 1988 car |
