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     Patrick Francis Prolific User Username: jackpot Post Number: 156 Registered: 11-2016 |
Hi Guys Our local classic car clubs have been invited for a round trip around Morocco in October. About 25 cars at the moment. This is a 2100km round trip Tetouan, Fez, Marrakesh and back. My question is, what spares should I take?? My initial thoughts are: Functioning spare tyre Engine oil Brake fluid Plugs Electronic ingnition Apart from that, just scratching my head? My engine is good. brakes and self levelling are serviced and good, aircon functioning and good. New tyres (relatively) Has anyone done a similar distance, and needed any spares? Ta | ||
| David Gore Moderator Username: david_gore Post Number: 2637 Registered: 4-2003 |
One of our NSW Branch members entered his PV in the 1997 Peking-Paris Commemorative event and later published an article which, if my memory is correct, included some information on the preparation of the car. Travelling back to Sydney shortly and will go through my archives there to see if I can find the article. http://www.endurorally.com/pages/peking-to-paris-motor-challenge-1997-starters-assemble Jeanne Eve wrote a book "Rallying in a Royal Rolls-Royce : preparation, pitfalls and passion on the 1997 Peking to Paris Motor Challenge : a personal account" and if anyone has a copy, they may be able to provide more information. The book may be available from Jeanne and I can check with her if you wish. http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/197215 * | ||
| Christian S. Hansen Grand Master Username: enquiring_mind Post Number: 613 Registered: 4-2015 |
Fuses! See the current "so reliable" thread! | ||
| richard george yeaman Grand Master Username: richyrich Post Number: 793 Registered: 4-2012 |
Spare fan and related belts, extra spare wheel. Richard. | ||
| Stefan Ihnat Experienced User Username: stefan87 Post Number: 11 Registered: 8-2017 |
Fuses and diodes :-) | ||
| Patrick Francis Prolific User Username: jackpot Post Number: 157 Registered: 11-2016 |
Thank you David. I am looking up info on Jeanne and her book. | ||
| Robert Noel Reddington Grand Master Username: bob_uk Post Number: 1498 Registered: 5-2015 |
set of hydraulic blanking plugs. | ||
| Geoff Wootton Grand Master Username: dounraey Post Number: 1755 Registered: 5-2012 |
That's a good one Bob. If a circuit leaks, blank it off. A get-you-home measure. I'd throw in a spare coil as well. | ||
| Patrick Ryan Grand Master Username: patrick_r Post Number: 1661 Registered: 4-2016 |
Pre mixed coolant Patrick. | ||
| Larry Kavanagh Frequent User Username: shadow_11 Post Number: 83 Registered: 5-2016 |
selection of light bulbs, easing/penetrating oil. Air filters, it may be very dusty and the air filter might be prone to clogging! | ||
| Patrick Ryan Grand Master Username: patrick_r Post Number: 1664 Registered: 4-2016 |
By the sounds of it Patrick, You will now need a Ross special roof rack or a trailer for all this gear. | ||
| Kelly Opfar Prolific User Username: kelly_opfar Post Number: 175 Registered: 7-2004 |
Consider taking Paul Yorke with you... | ||
| Paul Yorke Grand Master Username: paul_yorke Post Number: 1841 Registered: 6-2006 |
LOL Kelly, I was about to suggest that  It sounds an exciting trip. Make sure your viscous coupling is 100% working before leaving. Although I've just looked at your location so assume that the cooling system is well and truly tested anyway. Your AA card Weapons. | ||
| Omar M. Shams Grand Master Username: omar Post Number: 1289 Registered: 4-2009 |
one hydraulic hose.... | ||
| ross kowalski Grand Master Username: cdfpw Post Number: 514 Registered: 11-2015 |
Patrick, Are all the cars on the trip RR? That would be quite the convoy. I would bring the electronic ignition as that would be expensive to overnight. While not strictly a spare part, I wouldn't forget a fire extinguisher for your car and the cars of others. I might consider a shop manual, these cars are not rocket science, but a rural mechanic would appreciate a factory service manual I'm sure. Other stuff can either be thoughtfully bodged like wiring up a fallen exhaust hanger, replaced temporarily with a comparable local part like a fuel pump, or ignored entirely like a broken exhaust clamp. One tool that has saved my bacon dozens of times is the long fused jumper wire. For instance, your ignition switch immolates or whatever and the local mechanic says, no fixing that. You jump power to the coil from the starter relay and you are off in 60 seconds. No, fused jumper wire and you are definitely in from a more than 60 second wait. Any number of times I have used the jumper to save other folks bacon as well. Don't forget to post photos of your adventure. | ||
| Patrick Francis Prolific User Username: jackpot Post Number: 160 Registered: 11-2016 |
Hi Paul/Ross et al Viscous bran new and tested.. about 25 cars of various makes and vintage. We have a tow truck , and police escort ( not as extreme as it sounds). I also have legal and breakdown on the insurance.. Electronic ignition is a must I think,. Long fused jump wire a fantastic idea - thanks. Just replaced all my hydraulic hoses, so will take a couple of old ones to use as blanking plugs or spares. Premixed coolant may just take up space- tap water should work as a get me home measure? Anyway, we all know that the spare part we always need is the one we left behind in the garage.! Will take pics and let you all know how it went. Thanks to you all. | ||
| Patrick Francis Prolific User Username: jackpot Post Number: 179 Registered: 11-2016 |
Hi Guys Well, finally went on the Moroccan Rally which turned out to be tedious and magnificent at the same time. Tedious because of the many hours in the car and magnificent because of the scenery skirting the desert and crossing the Atlas mountains. About 15 cars in all, the oldest there being a 1952 MG TD. There was a lovely Turbo R belonging to Tony, who has others but decided to travel in comfort as did we (clever chap!), but otherwise no other Bentley/Rolls apart from my Shadow 1. This was a first time for some in Morocco, and so some people brought their semi modern classics due to reliability worries I presume. During all or part of the journey there was: Triumph Stag, XJS V12 Jaguar, MG TD, Bentley Mulsanne Turbo, Morris Minor, MG8, Mercedes 126 Coupe, RR Silver Shadow 1 (me), two Mercedes 123 saloons, a couple of Citroen Deux Chevaux, VW Beetle, Morgan Plus 8. Various minor overheating issues, otherwise all good apart from the MG TD cooking it’s points towards the end. I will post a few pictures for anyone that is interested and then explain some issues with my Shadow 1. | ||
| Patrick Francis Prolific User Username: jackpot Post Number: 180 Registered: 11-2016 |
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| Paul Yorke Grand Master Username: paul_yorke Post Number: 1900 Registered: 6-2006 |
Well done Francis. Looks pretty tricky conditions were encountered. Lots of good memories made I hope :D | ||
| Patrick Francis Prolific User Username: jackpot Post Number: 183 Registered: 11-2016 |
So after filling the boot with every tool and spare that I thought I would need, then emptying it all out again, what I ended up taking was: Oil, jump leads, brake fluid, cable with crocodile clips, can of foam puncture repair, rad seal, axle stand, tool roll of metric and AF, small box spanner set, medium adjustable, parrot pliers, Victorinox multi tool, a can of Mr. Sheen and a bottle of Glassex and a big paper roll. Of all that, I used the Glassex and kitchen roll! The journey was about 2300km in all, from 40 degree c desert at sea level to about 10 degrees c at about 2500m through the Atlas mountains twice. Mostly good roads, but about 100km of dusty, sandy, bumpy, flooded roads. There were 4 adults and a shedload of luggage in the car. The car had: Oil change, new thermostat and viscous coupling, new brake pads, 134A conversion and charged A/C, newish tyres, new brake and self levelling hoses, new rear springs Engine designed to run on 100 octane was retarded to cope with 95 unleaded that was available. Engine behaved perfectly except for slightly low and uneven idling with A/C on. A/C never failed, and I would say was “adequate” compared to modern A/Cs. Engine behaved perfectly, never missing a beat. With A/C on most of the time, getting in and out of ferries etc, average mpg was 13.3. Best was 16mpg and worst was 9.5mpg. | ||
| Patrick Francis Prolific User Username: jackpot Post Number: 185 Registered: 11-2016 |
PROBLEM 1 Before setting off, I was getting this strange loud ticking sound from my rear self levelling suspension whenever I switched the engine off. Almost as if the rams were settling in steps – which made me think there was air in the ram circuits and they were adjusting themselves in steps as the air became decompressed and compressed again. Or maybe because they had the upgraded beefed up seals that Flying spares supply, that may not run as smmothly as the originals due to the double seals? Any way this problem disappeared whenever the car was loaded with people and luggage, reappearing whenever we unloaded everything. Otherwise, the self levelling worked treat throughout. This was a godsend, because my trunnions vibrate like massage chair when my rear suspension is not level. I will check out what the problem is and revert. PROBLEM 2 My brakes behaved perfectly and stopped the car very efficiently throughout, until we came to the second long windy dusty downhill from 2500m of the Atlas mountains. Firstly the dust created a loud squeak from the front brake pads that lasted long enough (about an hour and a half) to make me think something more serious was happening, but this disappeared eventually when we came into town. SUGGESTIONS WELCOME ON THIS PLEASE: Secondly, half way down, I noticed the pedal getting spongy, and very quickly there was more and more pedal travel until the pedal reached the floor before braking efficiently as usual. Pumping the pedal cured the problem, but as time went on, more pumping was required to get purchase. I didn’t bother to pump, because the brakes worked fine at the end of the travel, which pointed me to the conclusion that my master cylinder fluid had boiled or that the cylinder was failing. When I got into town, and everything settled, the pedal travel and purchase returned to normal! My question is: - How could the master cylinder circuit overheat since it activates one cylinder in the rear caliper which is probably the least stressed. - If the master cylinder did overheat and boil, how come it went back to normal when it cooled down? Is this normal? - What is the solution? Thirdly, on the final leg which was understressed motorway travel, the brake circuit No1 light suddenlycame on, and I lost efficiency on the brakes. I have not lost any brake fluid, but the reservoir level is higher than normal with the engine running which makes me think that either the pump mis stuck on its upward stroke, there is air in the pump, or the pump push rod has broken. I will investigate and revert, but any suggestions are more than welcome. | ||
| richard george yeaman Grand Master Username: richyrich Post Number: 845 Registered: 4-2012 |
Hi Patrick seems like you had a great adventure in your SS1, brake fade is a scary situation to find oneself, but only to be expected in a fully laden car traveling in a convoy on a dusty mountain road. as far as your brake pump issue goes you can check it by feeling for a pulse on the exit side of the of the brake pump its not too hard a job to fit a kit to the front pump, the rear one is much harder to get at, I am coming to the costa del Sol on the 21st and have a pump removal tool that I could lend you to do the job and perhaps give you a hand to fix it. Richard. | ||
| Larry Kavanagh Prolific User Username: shadow_11 Post Number: 104 Registered: 5-2016 |
Regarding the creaking noise from the rams I would guess that - as you suggest - the seals are probably a tight fit which is exposing the symptoms of another problem which may be caused by a slow internal leak back to the reservoir from one or both of the height control valves which would allow the rear suspension to settle quicker than usual when the engine is turned off. But that's only a speculative guess but if I'm correct it would show up as a No.2 pressure warning light coming on much sooner than the No.1 pressure light once the engine is switched off. | ||
| Paul Yorke Grand Master Username: paul_yorke Post Number: 1902 Registered: 6-2006 |
Patrick, Thinking out loud . . . When the brake work was done was RR363 used to fill the system? A lack of lubricant can cause noisy rams and sticky pumps. The Ram noise would probably go when fully loaded because the rams are working at their full extension, so no movement and no noise? If I'm winding my way down mountains I always slip it down to L or I to help keep the brakes a bit cooler. Yes it is normal for the boiled fluid to recompress and the pedal to return when it cools. It's not normal for the fluid to boil. Perhaps old fluid was trapped in there somewhere. It is hard to tell if the power brake systems do this because the accumulators supply the extra fluid to compress the air (boiled moisture). When you pump the pedal and it returns, you are doing the same job as teh accumulators / pumps. | ||
| Patrick Francis Prolific User Username: jackpot Post Number: 187 Registered: 11-2016 |
Thank you all. Richard, I would love to take you up on the offer. I have already taken off the rear pump a while back to replace and extremely expensive pushrod! So I know what a nightmare they can be to do without the tool. I hope to check on whether the pump is the problem soon. Either way, I would like to make a copy of the tool for future use if I may. How long are you out here for? Were you thinking of visiting Gibraltar on your visit? Paul, I had to use some neat dot3 three when my rams failed last time, so you may be right. The high pressure hose failed on the self levelling rams, so I disconnected the valve levers connected to the suspension arms, and put about 250cc of dot3 to replenish what I had lost and stop the pump from running dry. I topped up with about a liter of RR363 and bled the system - but maybe not enough. I will bleed some more and let you know... When my partial brake failure light came on, I suddenly remembered the owners manual suggestion of useing I and L!! Works a treat. Thanks for the explanation. So do I understand that you say maybe all three systems boiled, but only the master cylinder is noticeable because it is not pressurised? | ||
| Patrick Francis Prolific User Username: jackpot Post Number: 188 Registered: 11-2016 |
Larry No2 definitely comes on sooner that No1. Food for thought - thank you! | ||
| Jim Walters Prolific User Username: jim_walters Post Number: 124 Registered: 1-2014 |
Patrick, Kelly Opfar makes an excellent pump removal tool for only $80USD as well as many other RR workshop tools. https://www.britishtoolworks.com/shop SRH8505 SRC18015 SRE22493 NAC-05370 www.bristolmotors.com | ||
| richard george yeaman Grand Master Username: richyrich Post Number: 846 Registered: 4-2012 |
Patrick I will be in Marbella /Estepona area for two weeks and go to Gibraltar at least once I will private message my email and phone number to you looking forward to seeing you and interested in finding out the origins of your user name, there has to be a story in there somewhere, Richard. | ||
| David Gore Moderator Username: david_gore Post Number: 2692 Registered: 4-2003 |
Richard, We have an overseas gambling service in competition with our government-licensed operators called Lottoland. This is causing considerable angst to our State Governments due to leakage of the "river of gold" from the licensed operators to Lottoland who are registered in the Northern Territory which imposes minimal taxes compared to the other states. The parent company is based in Gibraltar. | ||
| Patrick Francis Prolific User Username: jackpot Post Number: 189 Registered: 11-2016 |
Hi David Lottoland is based and works out of Gibraltar. They rent a large amount of office space and I think they offer betting options on various lottery results(I don not gamble so this is what I hear). They have been very fast growing over the past 5 years. Gibraltar is a base for many Internet based betting companies such as William Hill, Stan James and many others. | ||
| David Gore Moderator Username: david_gore Post Number: 2693 Registered: 4-2003 |
Patrick, You are correct - the risk in using this type of betting gambling is the legal problems that would arise if a large win payment was delayed or refused as the Australian subsidiary most likely has minimal assets that would be accessible for debt recovery. | ||
| Patrick Francis Prolific User Username: jackpot Post Number: 190 Registered: 11-2016 |
Hi David I would be interested in understanding this better. I was under the impression that Lottoland works independently of any lottery bodies and uses clients bets to payout wins. They only use the lottery companies for the results. Are you saying that the actual lottery companies have an obligation to cover some of the costs of the Lottoland winners? No - Lottoland have an insurance policy that insures them for the payout on a winning bet [the win is based on the actual results of a legally run draw in whatever country the draw takes place]. The problem that could arise would be the Insurer either being unable to pay out or refusing to pay out by invoking an obscure term/condition in the policy and legal redress being extremely expensive and fraught with problems of jurisdiction. | ||
| Patrick Francis Prolific User Username: jackpot Post Number: 191 Registered: 11-2016 |
Kelly Beautiful tool selection. Where are you based? | ||
| Kelly Opfar Prolific User Username: kelly_opfar Post Number: 183 Registered: 7-2004 |
Patrick, I'm in Utah, USA. | ||
| Larry Kavanagh Prolific User Username: shadow_11 Post Number: 105 Registered: 5-2016 |
Patrick, My No.2 light comes on after a few hours while my No.1 light could stay off for days or even weeks if the car hasn't been started. I don't worry about it because pressure builds up and holds, I've tested the No.2 accumulator and it is operating within normal limits. A minor internal leak in a HCV is something that wouldn't affect braking or suspension as the loss of pressure is very minimal and the pressure only drops enough to trigger the pressure switch over a long duration when the engine is off. Once the engine is running and the pumps and accumulators are doing their thing a minor internal leak in a HCV is not likely to have any adverse effect on the system as a whole and should the engine fail you wouldn't quickly lose pressure because of a minor internal HCV leak. So it's just something to keep an eye on and monitor how long it takes for the No.2 light to illuminate when not in use, if the problem gets worse then perhaps it would merit investigation but to my knowledge (which is limited) many Silver Shadows happily carry on with this affliction. | ||
| Patrick Ryan Grand Master Username: patrick_r Post Number: 1716 Registered: 4-2016 |
Great set of images Patrick. Thanks for sharing them. |
